Sound off on Saturday...where do you stand on video game violence?

[River_Rat_459]

SilentFart will be guest hosting with me and Dahlia on Saturday's edition of USMG Radio. He has suggested we discuss the hot topic issue of video game violence and how some outlets are alleging that it contributes to real life gun violence.

If you've never listened to USMG Radio or called in, we wholeheartedly request your presence on this weekend's show. We want to hear from each and every person who can call in to the the show (or Tweet or join the chat room). This is prime time to have your voice heard.

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[iamthesgt]

I have a crapload of stuff to do Saturday, so I'll weigh in now.

I think this discussion is, like many other discussions now, misdirected. We currently live in an age of astonishingly low personal responsibility and leadership. Until the family situations are cleaned up, we will have nut jobs turning to who knows what. Too many parents these days let their kids have too much without exercising good judgement. We need people to stop (a) blaming objects for behavior and (b) standing up for things that are important.

On the other hand, though I do enjoy "violent" video games, there comes a point where there is too much excessive violence. Call of Duty? Battlefield? Hardly to that point. But I know there are games out there, the "slash-and-burn" type, that pretty much glorify violence. Do I support laws against them? No. That's not the government's job. But it would be nice to hear people put out sensible, thoughtful guidelines out there and stand up against those games that are a little too "violence glorifying". But in the end, it is more about the person than the objects or environment.

[River_Rat_459]

I have a crapload of stuff to do Saturday, so I'll weigh in now.

I think this discussion is, like many other discussions now, misdirected. We currently live in an age of astonishingly low personal responsibility and leadership. Until the family situations are cleaned up, we will have nut jobs turning to who knows what. Too many parents these days let their kids have too much without exercising good judgement. We need people to stop (a) blaming objects for behavior and (b) standing up for things that are important.

On the other hand, though I do enjoy "violent" video games, there comes a point where there is too much excessive violence. Call of Duty? Battlefield? Hardly to that point. But I know there are games out there, the "slash-and-burn" type, that pretty much glorify violence. Do I support laws against them? No. That's not the government's job. But it would be nice to hear people put out sensible, thoughtful guidelines out there and stand up against those games that are a little too "violence glorifying". But in the end, it is more about the person than the objects or environment.

I'll read your reply on the air, if you don't mind.

[Twizted875]

I have a crapload of stuff to do Saturday, so I'll weigh in now.

I think this discussion is, like many other discussions now, misdirected. We currently live in an age of astonishingly low personal responsibility and leadership. Until the family situations are cleaned up, we will have nut jobs turning to who knows what. Too many parents these days let their kids have too much without exercising good judgement. We need people to stop (a) blaming objects for behavior and (b) standing up for things that are important.

On the other hand, though I do enjoy "violent" video games, there comes a point where there is too much excessive violence. Call of Duty? Battlefield? Hardly to that point. But I know there are games out there, the "slash-and-burn" type, that pretty much glorify violence. Do I support laws against them? No. That's not the government's job. But it would be nice to hear people put out sensible, thoughtful guidelines out there and stand up against those games that are a little too "violence glorifying". But in the end, it is more about the person than the objects or environment.
I pretty much agree with you on this. I think that there is too much willingness by the governement to blame A. Guns B. Video games C. Music D. Movies for what can possibly be classified as Poor parenting and mental health issues that are ignored. The Government sees tragedys such as those that have been occuring lately as a golden opportunity to expand and oversee all that is creative.

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Pop culture will always influence the masses. It is ideas enforced by our peers to allow us to feel accepted. Video game violence plays about as much of a role in real life violence as reading Superman comics give me the ability to fly. All video games allow us to do is live vicariously through our characters. It MAY and I use the term loosely give ideas to those individuals already twisted by other life altering happenings but it's not the root cause of any issue, just uptight whiney ass parents who want to blame something else rather than their lack of involvement with their offspring.

[jxspyder]

Pop culture will always influence the masses. It is ideas enforced by our peers to allow us to feel accepted. Video game violence plays about as much of a role in real life violence as reading Superman comics give me the ability to fly. All video games allow us to do is live vicariously through our characters. It MAY and I use the term loosely give ideas to those individuals already twisted by other life altering happenings but it's not the root cause of any issue, just uptight whiney ass parents who want to blame something else rather than their lack of involvement with their offspring.

Last line, that is all.

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[comanche_warior]

Ill be out of town so Ill follow suite and post it here.

I can say that I enjoy playing "violent" video games which depends on the person I guess. The games that I generally play that are considered violent by the media are BF3, Halo, and a few others. One of the most realistic games but very gory as far as detail and very fun is Sniper Elite. Where the category of violent is very subjective and depends on the person. Some people can say that Lego Star Wars is violent because you kill things. Though I do think that some but very popular games take gore way over the top, like GTA and overly graphic games like SAW. We still play chess and that was a violent game at one point in time.

I think that the problem is that parents arent teaching kids that games are games and that type of behavior is not acceptable in real life. I got the original GTA when I was a kid but my parents taught me that it wasnt real and not to do that sort of stuff. I can truthfully say that I havent broken the law. I also played NFS Hot Pursuit but I dont go running from the cops. Im sorry to say but I think all these psycho people werent taught that video games arent reality. There are guidelines that the industry has to follow just like movies, and they do to the most part but the companies cant and dont raise their customers kids. Video games are an alternate reality its not the companies fault that some people cant determine what is fantasy and reality. Its the person not the game, movie, or song.

[RogueScot]

I'd like to call in and express my opinion on this matter, if you don't mind.


SilentFart will be guest hosting with me and Dahlia on Saturday's edition of USMG Radio. He has suggested we discuss the hot topic issue of video game violence and how some outlets are alleging that it contributes to real life gun violence.

If you've never listened to USMG Radio or called in, we wholeheartedly request your presence on this weekend's show. We want to hear from each and every person who can call in to the the show (or Tweet or join the chat room). This is prime time to have your voice heard.

Watch for updates in the USMG Radio thread (stickied above) for the time and phone number. You can Tweet us directly at @USMGRadio or using #USMGRadio.

Please join this discussion!

[ApollosArrow89]

If i have time i will call in but if not, u can use my response as well Corey.

I think its a load of bull crap with how the Government and Parents are blaming Video Games and even Guns as the sole factors in violence in young people these days. Since the horrible incidents that have happened recently with the shooting in Sandy Hook and also the movie theater in Colorado. The Government has now taken it upon themselves to blame other things than look at the issue in hand. My brothers have stated the truth, it is due to bad parenting and the troubled kids not getting the help they need. I will explain both parts. The first issue is the parents themselves, they want to blame other things like video games to go out grab a weapon and kill people. It is the parents who need to teach their children that a video game is not real and they need to understand that certain video games are not made for young kids. Take COD: BO2, this game is rated M for Mature, meaning this game is targeting the 17+ age group, but yet u have parents buying their 8 year old son or daughter this game. They do not take the time to research this game and even tell their kids that this game is not real and they should never act out on this.

The second part of my answer is the troubled teens we have in this country. Teens are going to be bullied, picked on, teased, and down right get in fights. This leads to the kid removing himself from being friends with anyone or even talking to anybody except himself. This falls upon parents and teachers to realize the kid is in trouble. Most signs show a kid who is consistently on the honor roll or having good grades plumits to F's and D's. This is a major sign something is wrong, but parents and teachers dont care about it and just shrug it off. With no healp the kid begins to focus on video games or some other outlet for his/her grief. They begin to become warped into this alternate reality and begin to think it is real. They get so wrapped into it and soon they act out with violence. It is the parents and teachers responsibility and guardians and mentors for these kids to help.

The government and parents are so quick to blame something else to make themselves happy than look at the issues at hand. But its not the first time something like can happen. Look at the famous RPG Dungeons and Dragons. Most kids who are not taught that this game is not reality get so wrapped into this alternate world that they begin to believe this worrld is real and hold live events that kids do die or get seriously injured from it. They dress up and duel eachother and one thing leads to another and someone gets hurt. The government almost banned the game all together becuz of this but was svaed due to research proving the kids had brain issues and couldnt determing fantasy from reality. Again it falls on the parents to teach their children that trait.

[toby2533]

unknown if I'll call in keep getting to buzzed up and forget but 7 pm on Saturday (yes it is a said statement on my life). Video games FPS that are life like are very bad for young kids, when I get done playing I'm more aggressive. The rating system on the game is good, these games are geared for the 20 something and above crowd but when you stand in line and see several mom of America in line holding a copy with their little hipster brat next to them you know who they are buying it for. Hey my kids play video games, minecraft with 1000yardstare kid, skylanders and madden football (yes my son beat me last night 17-0) but since I'm a informed parent they will never own or play anything that is not appropriate, this get to root cause of most parents, they want to have a kid but really don't give a rats ass to raising a kid, they will buy what ever means that gives them enough time to sit around in a lexapro glazed buzz crying about work and watching 24 hour new networks. While their hipster brat is in the basement gunning down kills per min in COD and dropping the f-bomb with impunity, yes this desensitizes them, the same thing is going to happen to the geek hipster brat from watching porn they will end up with callouses the size of a computer mouse on their tally-whacker from rubbing themselves off too much, again the parent will be sitting on the couch buzzed as hell while they the kids are surfing what they want in the basement or room. The problem are parents, this is how you fix it parents you should not be your kids best friend, hey 20 push-ups never killed anyone, yelling is not that bad if it gets there lazy ass off the couch and doing the dishes, Hey what happened to putting a kid over your knee, you can try to discuss a problem with a 7 to 8 yr old but a quick slap on the rump will drive the lesson home with some thing for them to remember.

[Rickety Rob]

Games don't cause violence...people do. What a child is exposed to and has to live through all their life is what they are going to turn out to be. I know its a bold statement to say but if you raise a child in a violent world, all they are going to know is violence. If you can expose kids to non violent activities, they will adapt to a non violent life style. Games have no affect on gun violence when it comes to kids using them.

[Bull3tBait]

Ok. I'm going to say it. I'm a bad parent. My son plays a lot of the games that you all think young kids shouldn't play. He watches movies that really he shouldn't watch. But I do have parental controls on his Xbox that prevents him from communicating with anyone that I haven't approved. Most of his multiplayer interactions are limited to his playing with me and/or Klaws and with his older cousin.

I will tell you what. This is a kid that hated to read. He played Assassins Creed and next thing I know he's checking books out from the school library about Rome. He is reading about the Borgias and asked if I would take him to Rome one day to see it. I've explained to him of course that it doesn't quite look like it did back then but it sparked an interest in history that he is still nurturing.

The thing we are working on is patience. And the games are good at challenging that. He also will drop the controller in a heartbeat to go outside to play with friends which is good and I encourage it.

I think it really boils down to parent interest in what their kid is doing and a lack of respect that kids have for their parents. When the line became blurred between discipline and child abuse is when I think it got out of control. I would never have dared do what I see half the kids these days do (my own included, ill admit) because I'd have had my ass beat good. I had a healthy desire not to disappoint my parents. My kids are just starting to come around because I've started taking on the parenting style my parents had instead of the lax go sit in time-out BS that just doesn't work on a lot of kids. Hell you don't see animals do that to their kids. You see them kick them or bite them or whack them to keep them in line (just like we used to do in the old days). lol hell our kids have it easy.

Besides that us old timers can't say the cartoons of our day weren't way more violent than anything they have on today.


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....

[iamthesgt]

I'll read your reply on the air, if you don't mind.

Don't mind at all.

Bull3t, I wasn't calling you a bad parent. I don't know you personally, so I couldn't begin to make that call if I wanted to. But it sounds like you do not fall into the problem parent category. At least you know what they're doing, and you know what they are seeing. And sure, sometimes video games can get kids to read more (though, there are plenty of books out there that kids shouldn't be reading. But I don't think ones related to Assassin's Creed are some of them).

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[Bull3tBait]

Don't mind at all.

Bull3t, I wasn't calling you a bad parent. I don't know you personally, so I couldn't begin to make that call if I wanted to. But it sounds like you do not fall into the problem parent category. At least you know what they're doing, and you know what they are seeing. And sure, sometimes video games can get kids to read more (though, there are plenty of books out there that kids shouldn't be reading. But I don't think ones related to Assassin's Creed are some of them).

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I know you weren't. I was calling myself a bad parent lol. But I can at least say I don't use TV and video games as baby sitters. We actually use them as part of family time to play together (this includes the occasional family kinect bowling night) if more parents used the games as ways to interact with their kids or connect with them I think that would be a good thing.


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....

[toby2533]

I know you weren't. I was calling myself a bad parent lol. But I can at least say I don't use TV and video games as baby sitters. We actually use them as part of family time to play together (this includes the occasional family kinect bowling night) if more parents used the games as ways to interact with their kids or connect with them I think that would be a good thing.


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....
this is the biggest problem, most parents don't understand video games enough to makle a judgement call on which one's are good for there kids.

[Ragingclue]

Adults in this country are just not capable of being responsible human beings anymore. Nobody educates themselves on issues to vote, they just vote for whoever their friends do or they'll listen to their one preferred media outlet which is only intent on railroading its viewers to fit their own agendas.... Nobody bothers to be a good parent on any level in any way these days (an by "nobody" I mean that in a general sense, not absolute). Although all of you make points which I agree with wholeheartedly (thank you for typing all that so I didn't have to), I think Bull3t's post speaks to me the most. Parents don't monitor who their kids are running with because it's too much work and they can't be bothered. Parents don't bother ensuring their kids aren't one of those lame ass douches talking shit to everybody in CoD lobbies all night, calling everyone a "nigger" or a "faggot", further fostering sociopathic behaviors. Parents don't mind the rating system put there so their lazy asses wouldn't have to research what their kid wants to play. Parents don't bother to encourage their kids to read books or educate themselves on history or worldly matters. Parents just generally don't do shit and it's widely accepted as OK.

Bottom line is, American adults are culturally shifting to accept being lazy pieces of shit (for the most part), and it's just always easier to blame somebody else.... And the sad thing is, the powers that be feed this attitude. Our administration right now is a bunch of enablers. It disgusts me.

[iamthesgt]

Adults in this country are just not capable of being responsible human beings anymore. Nobody educates themselves on issues to vote, they just vote for whoever their friends do or they'll listen to their one preferred media outlet which is only intent on railroading its viewers to fit their own agendas.... Nobody bothers to be a good parent on any level in any way these days (an by "nobody" I mean that in a general sense, not absolute). Although all of you make points which I agree with wholeheartedly (thank you for typing all that so I didn't have to), I think Bull3t's post speaks to me the most. Parents don't monitor who their kids are running with because it's too much work and they can't be bothered. Parents don't bother ensuring their kids aren't one of those lame ass douches talking shit to everybody in CoD lobbies all night, calling everyone a "nigger" or a "faggot", further fostering sociopathic behaviors. Parents don't mind the rating system put there so their lazy asses wouldn't have to research what their kid wants to play. Parents don't bother to encourage their kids to read books or educate themselves on history or worldly matters. Parents just generally don't do shit and it's widely accepted as OK.

Bottom line is, American adults are culturally shifting to accept being lazy pieces of shit (for the most part), and it's just always easier to blame somebody else.... And the sad thing is, the powers that be feed this attitude. Our administration right now is a bunch of enablers. It disgusts me.

This.

[jxspyder]

I know you weren't. I was calling myself a bad parent lol. But I can at least say I don't use TV and video games as baby sitters. We actually use them as part of family time to play together (this includes the occasional family kinect bowling night) if more parents used the games as ways to interact with their kids or connect with them I think that would be a good thing.


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....

Pfft, I'm totally calling you a bad parent!! How could you let your children be so corrupted and desensitized?!?!

:p:rolleyes::rolleyes:


Also, there's a really easy way to tell the suggested age of a book.....look at the type. Go crack open the Harry Potter series, and you'll notixe how the font changes from 1 to 7. Assassin Creed books are just fine for teens and near teens. They're actually not half bad to boot.

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[XxSilentxFartxX]

Even though Im guest hosting, I am going to chime in here as well so that all you non listeners can hear it. Bullet. You arent a bad parent...Do your kids go out and recact that violence..Im willing to bet no.. You know why? Because you are a good parent. You teach your kids right from wrong. You allow you kids to play these games but you are also still very much present in their life. What drives kids to violence is the LACK of parenting. The parents who replace their lack of being there with tube time and video games. A child can play any video game he or she wants but if they have a parent there to correct wrong behavior the violence seen on tv and video games will never affect them and their personality. I watched all kinds of crap as a child and I turned out semi allright. Point being it doesnt matter what that child does. It matters about the parenting. thats what it comes down to. People dont want to admit that they arent their for their child. Thats to hard. It is too easy to blame some one else for their problems. Wabnt to see a perfect example here is one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E

[Ragingclue]

Yup Bullet, your story is a perfect example of how children most definitely can have these things in moderation and not end up as these rabid psychopaths. But the catch is the parent has to put in time and effort. What boggles my mind is, at what point did American parents decide they didn't care enough about their children to take care of them like that? It's sad.

[smoke]

I'm gonna weigh in on this topic today as well, because most likely my wife will be giving birth tomorrow. :flypig:

I find the media's lack of simple intelligence, disgusting, abhorrent, and absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps we should have to take away cars too, and other material items which commonly kill people? With that being said, the gun itself is not to blame, the person is. 100% of the time, a person is to blame. I believe that stricter regulation, is okay, an ever watchful eye, okay, and perhaps the qualifications for ownership of automatic weapons, should be tougher, also okay.. however, it is not governments job to decide for us how we live our lives.. Unless you like living in a communist, or socialist country? (they do enough of it, by dictating how we should eat, and censor our TV):livid:

In my opinion, its not the TV shows, or video games that cause this, its the parents whom don't get a handle on their children, or specifically, those parents that recognize a problem, and don't do anything about it..
Additionally, maybe government should place more restriction on the amount of spewing filth that the news puts on the air on a daily basis.. These disturbing news stories, which discuss how these terrible actions, are the worse that the country has ever seen, do nothing more then to continually raise the bar, for the crazy-nut-jobbers to continually 1-up each other. (Just so they can get exposure) :censored:

[toby2533]

Wow smoke good rant brother and con-grats on the new shipmate for your family!

[Ragingclue]

High five, Admin Guy.

Your post was spot on.

And congrats on the future lil smoke.

[comanche_warior]

Adults in this country are just not capable of being responsible human beings anymore. Nobody educates themselves on issues to vote, they just vote for whoever their friends do or they'll listen to their one preferred media outlet which is only intent on railroading its viewers to fit their own agendas.... Nobody bothers to be a good parent on any level in any way these days (an by "nobody" I mean that in a general sense, not absolute). Although all of you make points which I agree with wholeheartedly (thank you for typing all that so I didn't have to), I think Bull3t's post speaks to me the most. Parents don't monitor who their kids are running with because it's too much work and they can't be bothered. Parents don't bother ensuring their kids aren't one of those lame ass douches talking shit to everybody in CoD lobbies all night, calling everyone a "nigger" or a "faggot", further fostering sociopathic behaviors. Parents don't mind the rating system put there so their lazy asses wouldn't have to research what their kid wants to play. Parents don't bother to encourage their kids to read books or educate themselves on history or worldly matters. Parents just generally don't do shit and it's widely accepted as OK.

Bottom line is, American adults are culturally shifting to accept being lazy pieces of shit (for the most part), and it's just always easier to blame somebody else.... And the sad thing is, the powers that be feed this attitude. Our administration right now is a bunch of enablers. It disgusts me.

well said

[River_Rat_459]

I'm very glad to see everyone expressing their opinion on this matter. What I'd ask from this point forward is that you all take the time to digest what everyone else has posted here and compare it to your own thoughts and feelings. PLEASE....call in on Saturday if you can and join us in this discussion.

[comanche_warior]

I'm very glad to see everyone expressing their opinion on this matter. What I'd ask from this point forward is that you all take the time to digest what everyone else has posted here and compare it to your own thoughts and feelings. PLEASE....call in on Saturday if you can and join us in this discussion.

I wont be able to so I threw my opinion at it yesterday. Im going out of town to hopefully see my brother and get a hair cut startin to look like shaggy.

[Bull3tBait]

I'm not sure if ill be able to or not as I'm home for the weekend (TDY) and have a lot to squeeze in today (church retreat with my youngest for his communion prep and food shopping to make sure the family has what they need for the week) before I head back out to Belvoir tomorrow. Somewhere along the line I promised Zombie game time with my oldest (I'm terrible at it). You are more than welcome to bring up anything I posted if you feel it's appropriate to the conversation. I will try to make to tho


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....

[DahliaBellona]

Pop culture will always influence the masses. It is ideas enforced by our peers to allow us to feel accepted. Video game violence plays about as much of a role in real life violence as reading Superman comics give me the ability to fly. All video games allow us to do is live vicariously through our characters. It MAY and I use the term loosely give ideas to those individuals already twisted by other life altering happenings but it's not the root cause of any issue, just uptight whiney ass parents who want to blame something else rather than their lack of involvement with their offspring.

Jared.

That is all ;)

I wholeheartedly agree with you and we were glad you called in tonight.

But, I have no children yet, but the thing is, is that a lot of it (most of it in my personal opinion), has to do with the parenting. Like I said tonight on the show, if I did something wrong, I was disciplined. I just got a spank on the butt. When I was a teenager, I did NOT want to get spanked (because of the childhood memories of discipline whenever I did something wrong when I wasn't supposed to), so I thought, "Hell no, I don't wanna get in trouble. Not worth it!"

And Bullet pointed out that she enforces the parental control options. My parents did do that on some things as well. That's responsibility.

But, now and days, there are people out there that refuse to take responsibility for their screw ups, or don't want to be considered a bad parent, lazy parent, absent parent, whatever, so they place blame on someone else; like Silent pointed out as well.

But, unfortunately, there is no fast and quick agreeable solution to this. Because unfortunately, I believe that as a society, we are way too separated.

Point blank, coming from Dahlia Bellona:

Don't F&%K with my Constitutional Rights.
Don't take away MY right to protect myself.
Don't you DARE tell me what video game I can or cannot buy, or Movie that I can or cannot see.
If I'm not breaking the laws that are already in place, then just don't F&#K with me.

Then we'll be happy, Saavy?? ;)

But excellent topic :)

[iamthesgt]

Jared.

That is all ;)

I wholeheartedly agree with you and we were glad you called in tonight.

But, I have no children yet, but the thing is, is that a lot of it (most of it in my personal opinion), has to do with the parenting. Like I said tonight on the show, if I did something wrong, I was disciplined. I just got a spank on the butt. When I was a teenager, I did NOT want to get spanked (because of the childhood memories of discipline whenever I did something wrong when I wasn't supposed to), so I thought, "Hell no, I don't wanna get in trouble. Not worth it!"

And Bullet pointed out that she enforces the parental control options. My parents did do that on some things as well. That's responsibility.

But, now and days, there are people out there that refuse to take responsibility for their screw ups, or don't want to be considered a bad parent, lazy parent, absent parent, whatever, so they place blame on someone else; like Silent pointed out as well.

But, unfortunately, there is no fast and quick agreeable solution to this. Because unfortunately, I believe that as a society, we are way too separated.

Point blank, coming from Dahlia Bellona:

Don't F&%K with my Constitutional Rights.
Don't take away MY right to protect myself.
Don't you DARE tell me what video game I can or cannot buy, or Movie that I can or cannot see.
If I'm not breaking the laws that are already in place, then just don't F&#K with me.

Then we'll be happy, Saavy?? ;)

But excellent topic :)

All very well said. Did you guys have a lot of people call in?

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[DahliaBellona]

All very well said. Did you guys have a lot of people call in?

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Jared and Chet called in, but we did have a few responses within the Chat server. Over all it was a wonderful show, and very in depth; *sigh* sadly, it's a topic that will never end until someone tells pansies to STFU and take their balls outta their purses.

But it was a great show :D

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Jared and Chet called in, but we did have a few responses within the Chat server. Over all it was a wonderful show, and very in depth; *sigh* sadly, it's a topic that will never end until someone tells pansies to STFU and take their balls outta their purses.

But it was a great show :D

Lol well said Ness!

[Rickety Rob]

All I have to say is wooooooow! This video is def an eye opener. Pay attention to the assault rifle part. It was NEVER used and was later found in the trunk of the kids car. WTF!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8

[Twizted875]

Wow that was crazy bro.... Gonna rewatch after coffee

[Rickety Rob]

Pretty crazy how this person breaks down all the media and the craziness that happens on the day of the shooting. Def recommend all to watch

[iamthesgt]

There are a lot of a little things that were a little weird. Some people are making them out to be a conspiracy bigger than I think it is.

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[comanche_warior]

Wow Rob that was spooky, if you watch the part of where they are clearing the weapon in the trunk you can see that it is a shotgun not a rifle. That is one big reason why I dont watch the news anymore, and the ME part was a bit ridiculous too any examiner would be more competent than that.

[Rickety Rob]

Yea dude, shits all fucked up with that video. I have no idea what to believe. Once the media gets their hands on things, everything gets all mixed up

[Twizted875]

Ya I have no faith in the media I've lost all respect...

[ApollosArrow89]

i lost my faith in media a long time ago. The only media i listen to involves video games and computers and even they are dying down becuz of G4. Booo

[RogueScot]

All I have to say is wooooooow! This video is def an eye opener. Pay attention to the assault rifle part. It was NEVER used and was later found in the trunk of the kids car. WTF!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8

I posted that in another thread. Should've looked here first. :) I think there were a couple of things that were obviously wrong, but the rest was really creepy, if true.

[klaws]

Total BS. If any of this were true it would be extremely disturbing. The whole town. the news, the government everybody would have to be in on it. If there was some massive conspiracy being conducted on that kind of scale would they really make so many mistakes? I mean the way this guy makes it sound its painfully obvious and his most "damning piece of evidence" you cant check out because its been erased. Thats convenient. I think there is alot of misinformation out there mostly because the news media has their heads so far up their asses trying to one up each other they dont bother checking the facts before making their reports.

[Rickety Rob]

I posted that in another thread. Should've looked here first. :) I think there were a couple of things that were obviously wrong, but the rest was really creepy, if true.

I agree. Especially with the whole posting fund raisers a day or two before the shooting even happened