Sequestration?

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

How is it affecting you guys?

It looks like the base I am about to leave will cut their flying hour program by 1/3 as well as very limited TDYs etc. Definitely getting more and more real as the days carry on.

[DOCCUPCAKE]

No hires... Heard that medical money being cut ... So less supplies and the up coming deployments are on chopping block.....


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[Bull3tBait]

For us it's a cut to the R&D programs (targeting new starts), hiring freeze, mission essential training only, and my gut feeling is we are heading for furlough.


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[loakii]

They put a message out in recruiting that unless your already on orders you will probably be extended 6 to 12 longer. Thank god I have pinpoint orders for Honduras


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[iamthesgt]

Yeah a lot of GS jobs around here are having hours cut and new hirings frozen.

[clarkness7112100]

So far we're lucky at the Watervliet Arsenal. They have told us that no one will be losing their jobs because we actually make money selling cannons and mortars, but they are talking about hiring freezes and possibly handing out retirement bonuses. So yeah, good luck to us all. I'm sure they will never think to stop buying $20,000 sinks for the bosses and $10,000 parts that we don't need to buy rather than getting rid of good people.

[Bull3tBait]

So I just got the official letter from Panetta today indicating the strong and very likely possibility of a furlough. The Military OMA funds (active duty pay) will be exempt so it will only affect the Civvies if it happens. I've now been designated as the PM for my Directorate to help come up with the furlough Plans


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....

[DOCCUPCAKE]

F-35 planes scraped??....


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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

That official Doc? I haven't heard anything like that.

[HAVOK]

F-35 planes scraped??....


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Damn really?

[jxspyder]

They grounded them military-wide, when they found a crack in an engine blade.

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[clarkness7112100]

Where we work we make the cannons for tanks and howitzers and some of the mortars as well. They said that they where thinking of pulling the rest of the funding for the F-35's and move it over to upgrades on tanks, strictly rumor though.

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Considering the investment of the 35, the fact that there is no real air-to-air combat threat out there right now... I see no reason to continue with the 35. It's more or less a waste of time, money, and man power. For all us older air frame guys we are going to have to go through an ass ton of training just to make it happen. Let alone "learn" how to troubleshoot, which will be everyone. Having to deal with engineers just to do simple jobs would be a giant pain in the ass.

[jxspyder]

Where we work we make the cannons for tanks and howitzers and some of the mortars as well. They said that they where thinking of pulling the rest of the funding for the F-35's and move it over to upgrades on tanks, strictly rumor though.

Isn't the funding coming through the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corp for this? That'd be a lot of wasted money for 2/3 of those branches.

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[jxspyder]

Considering the investment of the 35, the fact that there is no real air-to-air combat threat out there right now... I see no reason to continue with the 35. It's more or less a waste of time, money, and man power. For all us older air frame guys we are going to have to go through an ass ton of training just to make it happen. Let alone "learn" how to troubleshoot, which will be everyone. Having to deal with engineers just to do simple jobs would be a giant pain in the ass.

It's not solely, or I believe even primarily, air to air though, is it?

And that's going to happen at some point anyway, with technology advancements. Unless we freeze military tech now, its going to happen.

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[iamthesgt]

It's not solely, or I believe even primarily, air to air though, is it?

And that's going to happen at some point anyway, with technology advancements. Unless we freeze military tech now, its going to happen.

Exactly. It's a multirole strike fighter. Sure, its air to air performance is less than that of the F-22, but it's better than that of the F-16, which is what it's replacing, along with some of the A-10, F-16CJ, and F-15E. The fact that one fighter can fulfill all of those roles cuts down on maintenance and training costs and simplifies the supply chain, in addition to replacing the older legacy fighters.

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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

35 is primary air to air for air force. Taking the place of the 16. The 22 is suppose to replace the 15 strike eagle.

[jxspyder]

35 is primary air to air for air force. Taking the place of the 16. The 22 is suppose to replace the 15 strike eagle.

I'd read that it was supposed to replace both the 16 and A-10.

I'm also a little confused now. Isn't the 15 and 22 air superiority, and the 16 and 35 multirole? If that's the case, wouldn't the 22 be the one you think should be cancelled?

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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

They all have Air to Air, Air to Ground capabilities. Just different radar, speed, and maneuverabilities that dictate their missions. Also different model of Aircraft and age matter as well.

[BigFreeze99]

It won't effect (or is it affect?) me. I work for free now anyway. However, my better half, gets the next 22 Fridays off starting in March... grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Semper-Fi

[Bull3tBait]

It won't effect (or is it affect?) me. I work for free now anyway. However, my better half, gets the next 22 Fridays off starting in March... grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Semper-Fi

In March? Per the timeline we were given the earliest they are supposed to be able to start is 21 April. Due to protocols requiring certain notifications to be issues and 50 actions


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[iamthesgt]

35 is primary air to air for air force. Taking the place of the 16. The 22 is suppose to replace the 15 strike eagle.

Negative. The 22 is replacing the 15C (air superiority), while the 35 replaces, among other things, the 15E


I'd read that it was supposed to replace both the 16 and A-10.

I'm also a little confused now. Isn't the 15 and 22 air superiority, and the 16 and 35 multirole?

That's correct.

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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

There arent enough c models to justify replacing them plus c models have zero air to ground capabilities. The 35 will obviously be able to do more than a 16 but it cannot compete with a strike eagle as far as payload. The A-10 I can see never getting replaced. It's the workhorse of the AF.

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Either way I do not see the 35 happening for awhile... and considering the 22 which has been in development since the early 90s still isn't deployable, I see no reason to push for the 35s.

[BigFreeze99]

In March? Per the timeline we were given the earliest they are supposed to be able to start is 21 April. Due to protocols requiring certain notifications to be issues and 50 actions


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Bull,
The wife works Phys Security and Foreign Disclosure at Camp LeJeune... They are starting the fun 22 March....
Mike

[BigFreeze99]

Gee, this Sequestration is worse then I thought.... the Pope is being layed off at the end of the month.....

Mike

[iamthesgt]

There arent enough c models to justify replacing them plus c models have zero air to ground capabilities. The 35 will obviously be able to do more than a 16 but it cannot compete with a strike eagle as far as payload. The A-10 I can see never getting replaced. It's the workhorse of the AF.

It can't carry as much, but it can hit targets the 15E can't. The A-10 won't be completely replaced, rather it'll be complemented by the F-35.


Gee, this Sequestration is worse then I thought.... the Pope is being layed off at the end of the month.....

Lol! Too funny.

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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Not necessarily the F-35 and F-15 with upgrade mods have the same weapon capabilities. All the weapons we whether it's JDAMs, GPs, CBUs are have different guidance packages which give them different potentials. The 35 is the superior fighter of course but more or less because of its radar, vector abilities, etc. The fact is more and more money getting cut will definitely canx alot of the what if stuff we have going on. Before I left Hill they just cancelled another TDY which was to spin the unit up for a deployment. That was the 3rd in a row. Who knows man, shits getting heavy with less people to do the jobs.

[iamthesgt]

Not necessarily the F-35 and F-15 with upgrade mods have the same weapon capabilities. All the weapons we whether it's JDAMs, GPs, CBUs are have different guidance packages which give them different potentials. The 35 is the superior fighter of course but more or less because of its radar, vector abilities, etc. The fact is more and more money getting cut will definitely canx alot of the what if stuff we have going on. Before I left Hill they just cancelled another TDY which was to spin the unit up for a deployment. That was the 3rd in a row. Who knows man, shits getting heavy with less people to do the jobs.

I know as far as what weapons they carry, they can do the same things, but my point was because of the radar, vector abilities, stealth, that's why it can hit targets the Es can't.

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Yeah it's just pointless when there isn't an air force out there that can compete.

[iamthesgt]

Yeah it's just pointless when there isn't an air force out there that can compete.

Well...I don't know that it's pointless. I would agree we don't need as many of them as we're buying, but I wouldn't say it's pointless.

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Well not pointless but not the right time to do it. Until we can get our govt situation settled as well as our economy.

[iamthesgt]

Well not pointless but not the right time to do it. Until we can get our govt situation settled as well as our economy.

If they'd just stop sticking their noses into the non-defense things, we wouldn't have these problems.

[jxspyder]

Well not pointless but not the right time to do it. Until we can get our govt situation settled as well as our economy.

In other words.....never?

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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

In other words.....never?

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Exactly...

[toby2533]

Some of biggest problems is when representative pushes for a weapons program that the military does not want or need, just because the maker of the weapons system is in their area. Yes its good for that area and person but this what leads to a huge defense budget this happens all the time.

[iamthesgt]

In other words.....never?

Yeah we haven't been out of debt since what...Jefferson?

[Bull3tBait]

Bull,
The wife works Phys Security and Foreign Disclosure at Camp LeJeune... They are starting the fun 22 March....
Mike

Well maybe it's going to be different for each service. The timeline we saw came from the G-4 office in the Pentagon. Now if your wife's group really is starting 22 March I'm really surprised. The reason being is Sequestration starts 1 March. The letter from Panetta that went out says that a minimum of 30 days notice will be given to all affected employees prior to the start of furlough. 22 March start would go against this. It would also have the unions freaking out. Not sure how they are getting around the system like that.


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[BigFreeze99]

Well maybe it's going to be different for each service. The timeline we saw came from the G-4 office in the Pentagon. Now if your wife's group really is starting 22 March I'm really surprised. The reason being is Sequestration starts 1 March. The letter from Panetta that went out says that a minimum of 30 days notice will be given to all affected employees prior to the start of furlough. 22 March start would go against this. It would also have the unions freaking out. Not sure how they are getting around the system like that.


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Bull,
In respect to OpSec, my wife's group is committed (out of country) for the first end of March. All these ops were previously funded or unbrellaed (if that is a word).... Not to be cyrptic but, that is the word that I know.

Mike

[jxspyder]

Bull,
In respect to OpSec, my wife's group is committed (out of country) for the first end of March. All these ops were previously funded or unbrellaed (if that is a word).... Not to be cyrptic but, that is the word that I know.

Mike

What part is bull? I don't understand the point your trying to make by claiming Bullet is lying or has no idea what she's talking about.

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[HAVOK]

What part is bull? I don't understand the point your trying to make by claiming Bullet is lying or has no idea what she's talking about.

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Maybe he's not saying "Bull", maybe he's calling her Bull, as in BULL3tbait....nickname of sorts?

[BigFreeze99]

Maybe he's not saying "Bull", maybe he's calling her Bull, as in BULL3tbait....nickname of sorts?

That is exactly it Havoc... I just post a quick nickname reply.... I see I will do a whole lot less posting here.



Semper-Fi
Mike

[iamthesgt]

That is exactly it Havoc... I just post a quick nickname reply.... I see I will do a whole lot less posting here.

No, you're fine. Spyder has a tendency to jump all over people :p

[jxspyder]

Maybe he's not saying "Bull", maybe he's calling her Bull, as in BULL3tbait....nickname of sorts?

See, that makes a lot more sense.

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[jxspyder]

That is exactly it Havoc... I just post a quick nickname reply.... I see I will do a whole lot less posting here.



Semper-Fi
Mike

And that's good to know. Perspective is important, especially in text. Much like right now.

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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

I think over analyzing is wrong here Dave. You were wrong and should apologize. :thumbdown:

[iamthesgt]

I think over analyzing is wrong here Dave. You were wrong and should apologize. :thumbdown:

Apologize? Dave? Naaaaaah...:nod:

[Bull3tBait]

I think over analyzing is wrong here Dave. You were wrong and should apologize. :thumbdown:

No he wasn't over analyzing, I thought I was being called a liar too lol. Didn't realize it was a nickname. I'm looking at Panetta's letter, guidance from OSD and like 20 emails that say differently and I'm like huh? His wife's situation is different but I still don't know how they are getting around it because its against the law to start furlough prior to 21 Apr. Not saying they aren't doing it anyway. I mean hey if they can get away with it all the power to them. I would think her situation would make her exempt from furlough instead. We have a few guys that will be exempt because of the nature of their work.


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[iamthesgt]

Well I gotta say this is bullshit: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/26/dhs-to-release-thousands-illegal-immigrants-blaming-budget-cuts/

Releasing illegals to make a point? Really?

[jxspyder]

Well I gotta say this is bullshit: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/26/dhs-to-release-thousands-illegal-immigrants-blaming-budget-cuts/

Releasing illegals to make a point? Really?

Kinda sad.

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[BilgeRatBilly]

We just got a letter from our Adjutant General (The 2 star general who runs the state's National Guard) saying they may have to furlough all of the federal technicians (full time Guard people who aren't on active duty military orders) for a few hours each pay period. The hot rumor running around is that they'll make is all have every Friday off with no pay. That would suck massive goat balls cause that would basically be a 20% pay cut. Who the hell has 20% of their paycheck left over every month? Fortunately I just got back from a deployment so I've got $ saved, but this is some massive bullshit if it actually happens. This is all speculation as to how it will work out, but I'm going to be pissed off if I lose 20% of my paycheck because these elected fucknuts can't get their shit together.

Sorry rant over.

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[jxspyder]

We just got a letter from our Adjutant General (The 2 star general who runs the state's National Guard) saying they may have to furlough all of the federal technicians (full time Guard people who aren't on active duty military orders) for a few hours each pay period. The hot rumor running around is that they'll make is all have every Friday off with no pay. That would suck massive goat balls cause that would basically be a 20% pay cut. Who the hell has 20% of their paycheck left over every month? Fortunately I just got back from a deployment so I've got $ saved, but this is some massive bullshit if it actually happens. This is all speculation as to how it will work out, but I'm going to be pissed off if I lose 20% of my paycheck because these elected fucknuts can't get their shit together.

Sorry rant over.

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Yeah, I heard something similar over here, but with it being 10%......every other friday kind of thing.

Same speculation though. Getting kind of tired of the drastic cutback threats.....and not just for military.

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[BilgeRatBilly]

Yeah, I heard something similar over here, but with it being 10%......every other friday kind of thing.

Same speculation though. Getting kind of tired of the drastic cutback threats.....and not just for military.

Sent from the muddy banks of the Wishkaw

Exactly. I'm getting really sick of every year the post few years going through this because Congress & Co. can't agree to a budget. How about no paychecks for them until they pass a budget... I bet its done by the end of the day.

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[iamthesgt]

Exactly. I'm getting really sick of every year the post few years going through this because Congress & Co. can't agree to a budget. How about no paychecks for them until they pass a budget... I bet its done by the end of the day.

They talked about that, but I don't think a bill like that would pass. Some people were complaining it was unconstitutional because it "changed Congress's pay", but I think it was just bull.

[Bull3tBait]

Hate to say it but it is 20% of your gross but it could be a higher % of your net. Reason being is any benefits will still be deducted at full price. I have a Furlough calculator and when I ran the figures from my last LES it said 20% of my gross but 30% of my net will be cut.


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[Rickety Rob]

One more day people. I wish you all the best of luck...especially for those like me who work in the government sector

[BilgeRatBilly]

Hate to say it but it is 20% of your gross but it could be a higher % of your net. Reason being is any benefits will still be deducted at full price. I have a Furlough calculator and when I ran the figures from my last LES it said 20% of my gross but 30% of my net will be cut.


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That sucks big time Chele. Fortunately for me I'm in the Guard and my Civ job is the same as my mil job and my unit has a plan to help us out to where we'd only lose about one day of pay per month. It all sucks and I have absolutely no faith in our govt to fix it... I see it lasting all fiscal year.

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[toby2533]

worst damn part about it is all the finger pointing going on, I think 1 pass a quick bill that shuts down CNN, MSNC, & FOX for a week, take all the big names and lock them in a room (I would love to say without a bathroom) and they are not allow to see anyone until they can cut a deal. Plus lets not just put a damn band-aid on it do a real deal that helps the USA.

[iamthesgt]

worst damn part about it is all the finger pointing going on, I think 1 pass a quick bill that shuts down CNN, MSNC, & FOX for a week, take all the big names and lock them in a room (I would love to say without a bathroom) and they are not allow to see anyone until they can cut a deal. Plus lets not just put a damn band-aid on it do a real deal that helps the USA.

You can't muzzle the press. Plus, the politicians are finger-pointing as much as the media.

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[toby2533]

THe 24 hr news networks are the down fall of modern American Government, God forbid if they actually get things done the old way by meeting over drinks and cigars in the back room of where these guys live in DC. Now they can't even go for a jog without 100 reports running with them, just to film where he stops for a drink and what it is and so forth.

[DOCCUPCAKE]

Looks like Obama got what he wanted eh? Noticing a trend here.... Forcing his political agenda? Just my observation.... Hope it's not too much impact on all of us?


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[iamthesgt]

Looks like Obama got what he wanted eh? Noticing a trend here.... Forcing his political agenda? Just my observation.... Hope it's not too much impact on all of us?

I just hope this ultimately forces some real cuts, but I doubt it. I certainly hope it doesn't lead to even bigger government to "prevent this from happening again"

[DOCCUPCAKE]

Here is the official posting on the USN blog.
http://navylive.dodlive.mil/2013/03/02/department-of-the-navy-response-to-sequestration/


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[toby2533]

Ok, from looking at was happening all weekend, by both sides, here is my conspiracy theory, both sides allowed this to happen so they can make the tough cuts and say they had to do it. The Dems are now offering social security nets, GOP is no offering more tax moves on loop holes and defense contract cuts. This way both sides can say: look we had to do it and say sorry to their voters. Just my thoughts on a cold Monday am.

[BilgeRatBilly]

I think a lot of it is just a way to raise more money for their re-election campaign. They're going to get a ton of money from special interest groups to lobby on their behalf and this is a way they can say look, I need more $ so I can help you.

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[Rickety Rob]

Has anyone been hit by this as of yet

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Yup. All our civilian instructors start furlough in a few weeks.

[Rickety Rob]

That sucks. I hope this doesn't last long. I really feel bad for those who are about to get a huge cut in pay

[Bull3tBait]

We just had our town Hall meeting today and basically they said the following for the Army:

1) furlough IF it happens will depend on the budget. There is some relation to the budget and Sequestration and whatever that is will determine if and for how long we would furlough.

2) the soonest we can start furlough is 23 April (not a day sooner).

That's all they could tell us for certain. Lol god I love this job.


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[BigFreeze99]

We just had our town Hall meeting today and basically they said the following for the Army:

1) furlough IF it happens will depend on the budget. There is some relation to the budget and Sequestration and whatever that is will determine if and for how long we would furlough.

2) the soonest we can start furlough is 23 April (not a day sooner).

That's all they could tell us for certain. Lol god I love this job.


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Word from the wife is NOW the same... end of April... She is taking Monday's off and here Boss is getting Fridays. I will be at Brig. Gen. Love's place in a couple of weeks... I should get a clearer feel for the other DOD employees in the mix.

Semper-Fi
Mike

[Bull3tBait]

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[BigFreeze99]

July 8th start?... Any of you Government types hear anything different? I have been told 8 July for 8 weeks... but it may drop to 6 weeks.

[jgreco138]

That's what we're getting here. Looks like I'll have more time for gaming.

[JTFRYE]

It's hit the Marine Corps pretty hard especially the airwing side of the house. We depend on civilian contractors for some of the programs we use and now they are forced on furloughs, and some are even fired because they can't pay them anymore.


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[GhostOverride]

July 8th start?... Any of you Government types hear anything different? I have been told 8 July for 8 weeks... but it may drop to 6 weeks.

That's what we are hearing for our silly villians too

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[jgreco138]

It's hit the Marine Corps pretty hard especially the airwing side of the house. We depend on civilian contractors for some of the programs we use and now they are forced on furloughs, and some are even fired because they can't pay them anymore.


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I'm a uniformed civilian and there's only 3 of us in my office. All 3 of us are being furloughed so our office will be empty one day a week. All it does is hurt the troops in the field.

[KanTANKerUss]

I havnt been able to read what the rest of yall said but since I'm the only air traffic controller here I assume im the only one affected in this way....sequestraion.....well here is our story
In Apr the contract program at the faa was told they will cut 200 small airports out of there program across the country. Im currently working at one of them. We got termination letter dated to may. A week or so later we were told that they were postponing the closure until jun. Again a week b4 closure we were advised we are staing open till Sept 31...
Nontheless I have a health sustain for the gov and how we are being treated. As of now we are still open and as controllers we are still supposed to be profession and treat every air craft professionally. Even with the thought of us being expendable.

That's how its affecting me.....

[Bull3tBait]

My furlough starts July 8th (well for me it's Fridays) for 11 weeks. Got my notice and now I'm planning my mini vacations


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[WHIT3C3LL]

Just saw in the commissary today they are now posting their furlough hours

[jgreco138]

My furlough starts July 8th (well for me it's Fridays) for 11 weeks. Got my notice and now I'm planning my mini vacations


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Same here.

[Stavictus]

I really feel for all yous getting hit with the Furlough bat. As a Shipyard worker I was blessed to get lucky and be considered among the necessary. I just wish that the government and others could see that we are all necessary.
It probably doesn't make a difference but how bout those making the decisions take some time off, loose money, and find cuts in areas that truly are not necessary.
Good luck to all. I wish you and your family's good health and godspeed.

[Bull3tBait]

I really feel for all yous getting hit with the Furlough bat. As a Shipyard worker I was blessed to get lucky and be considered among the necessary. I just wish that the government and others could see that we are all necessary.
It probably doesn't make a difference but how bout those making the decisions take some time off, loose money, and find cuts in areas that truly are not necessary.
Good luck to all. I wish you and your family's good health and godspeed.

Yea that's a subject that comes up at work a LOT. That and why aren't we cutting the SETA support instead. My house is getting a double whammy as we have two in my household that work for the Army and are being Furloughed. But luckily we have 3 incomes so we should pull through fine. The BRAC we went through two years ago actually helped us a bit.


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[GhostOverride]

My squadron is getting smacked, we have our DoD civilians taking Fridays off, our reservists that are full timers are taking Mondays...all of them! This is going to suck for 11 weeks, I mean its worse cause you guys aren't getting paid and now we are having to carry the load when most of our sections are short handed already.

[BilgeRatBilly]

My squadron is getting smacked, we have our DoD civilians taking Fridays off, our reservists that are full timers are taking Mondays...all of them! This is going to suck for 11 weeks, I mean its worse cause you guys aren't getting paid and now we are having to carry the load when most of our sections are short handed already.

What is really going to suck is that most don't understand that this isn't just through the end of the fiscal year... We were briefed that it's actually a 9 year furlough unless Congress and the cronies on the hill can get their shit squared away. That was new to me. I thought it was only going to be through the end of the fiscal... But that is just the best case scenario.

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[GhostOverride]

What is really going to suck is that most don't understand that this isn't just through the end of the fiscal year... We were briefed that it's actually a 9 year furlough unless Congress and the cronies on the hill can get their shit squared away. That was new to me. I thought it was only going to be through the end of the fiscal... But that is just the best case scenario.

Sent from my van down by the river with my new S4

Exactly, this is the first year of a 10 year budget cut...unless things change it will continue each year as you said

[Bull3tBait]

Exactly, this is the first year of a 10 year budget cut...unless things change it will continue each year as you said

We were actually thinking RIFs were in the near future. My partner is telling me to not do my job as well to show them the furlough is the reason we can't get our jobs done. I'm thinking yea sure and then are we showing them that we are the weak link that needs to be cut for RIF? Fuck that. I like a challenge at work.


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[jgreco138]

We were actually thinking RIFs were in the near future. My partner is telling me to not do my job as well to show them the furlough is the reason we can't get our jobs done. I'm thinking yea sure and then are we showing them that we are the weak link that needs to be cut for RIF? Fuck that. I like a challenge at work.


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....

Regardless of how well you do your job, there's someone out there that depends on you just being there. If you're not, then things don't get done until the next day. At some point there will be a backlog and that's what they'll notice. It will affect everyone, down to the lowest ranking Private. We haven't had a real budget in years, hopefully they realize what they're doing and hash this out for everyone's sake.

[Bull3tBait]

Regardless of how well you do your job, there's someone out there that depends on you just being there. If you're not, then things don't get done until the next day. At some point there will be a backlog and that's what they'll notice. It will affect everyone, down to the lowest ranking Private. We haven't had a real budget in years, hopefully they realize what they're doing and hash this out for everyone's sake.

Exactly. Everyday where I work, they pound home to us that the bottom line our job is to support the Warfighter. Everything we do in fact. It's humbling and a bit stressful because we want to make sure we get things right. Without the proper budget and backing and all the fucking games congress plays it makes it very difficult. We are R&D so we don't have a lot of active duty except the Mil Dep and the guys in out SATCOM Division. We were told to keep operations open 24/7 so we really shouldn't have too bad of lag. The PMs tho are shutting down completely 1 day a week. My biggest customer is taking off every Friday so that's why I picked Friday to coordinate with them.


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....

[jgreco138]

1 down, 10 more to go.

[RogueScot]

I've got a buddy, who is a Gulf War vet, who is having to deal with this on his civilian job. It's bullshit. I heard an interview that said sequestration is not "top of mind" with congress. I bet if their pay were cut they'd notice it then.

[jgreco138]

Apparently trips to Africa are more important.

[BilgeRatBilly]

I just lucked out. My unit needs help with a couple local exercises so they are giving me military orders for 2 weeks during the week so I'm taking my furlough days when I'm on military orders so it'll be close to a wash. I'll still lose some money but not as much as most. This whole thing is complete and utter bullshit. Those sons of bitches shouldn't be collecting one fucking penny until they fix this mess they made. But no... They'll just leave it to us to suffer for their inability to do their fucking job!

Sorry rant over.

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[Bull3tBait]

1 down, 10 more to go.

My 1st starts Friday. Was pretty quiet at work today with 1/2 the personnel out. Hate to say it but I actually got a lot done without all the interruptions

[GhostOverride]

And the fun begins...I'm down two technicians on monday and then two on Friday...oh did I mention that we only have 6 people to start with...wtf. Believe me guys it hits us AD members too, just not in our wallets. Can't wait for this shit to be over with.

[KopfeJager]

Lol!! Be over with he says! Welcome to Obama-nation, he's just getting warmed up! Nothing better than a lame duck liberal "President"......awesome.....

[Rickety Rob]

They closed down the commissary here on Ft. Meade on Mondays cause of this shit.

Mondays are the days I buy my damn food...Faaaaaak!

[iamthesgt]

They closed down the commissary here on Ft. Meade on Mondays cause of this shit.

Mondays are the days I buy my damn food...Faaaaaak!

Same here. I was going to pick up groceries yesterday but my mom told me it was closed so I had to go to Wal-Mart. Gonna go get steaks tonight.

[Rickety Rob]

Same here. I was going to pick up groceries yesterday but my mom told me it was closed so I had to go to Wal-Mart. Gonna go get steaks tonight.

Now i'm going to have to shop on sundays and sundays are my days to bull shit around the house

[BilgeRatBilly]

Same here. I was going to pick up groceries yesterday but my mom told me it was closed so I had to go to Wal-Mart. Gonna go get steaks tonight.

Ours was already closed on Mondays (lame to begin with) and now it's closed on Tuesdays as well. Freaking retarded.

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[GhostOverride]

They closed down the commissary here on Ft. Meade on Mondays cause of this shit.

Mondays are the days I buy my damn food...Faaaaaak!

So far that's one of the few things that hasn't happened to us....I know other bases have or have always been closed on Mondays. Here's hoping....nothing worse than trying to hit the commissary on the weekend...especially if its a drill weekend.

[jxspyder]

So far that's one of the few things that hasn't happened to us....I know other bases have or have always been closed on Mondays. Here's hoping....nothing worse than trying to hit the commissary on the weekend...especially if its a drill weekend.

Yeah, that shit is painful.

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[BigFreeze99]

My wife's "Government Day Off' started yesterday.... she opted for Mondays...
She showed me this link for creative out of office messages... Of course while she is on Sequestration she can't access her computer, black berry, or any other government media...

http://www.govexec.com/federal-news/fedblog/2013/07/top-5-fake-out-office-messages-furloughed-defense-workers/66197/ (http://www.govexec.com/federal-news/fedblog/2013/07/top-5-fake-out-office-messages-furloughed-defense-workers/66197/)

[jgreco138]

#3 was my favorite.

[GhostOverride]

#2 has just the right amount of smart ass lol

[Rickety Rob]

Went to the commissary yesterday and all i have to say is...Wooooooooooow!

The lines were so freaking long.

I said fuck the self check out line and went to the express line.

Even the express line, I had to wait 20 minutes to get checked out.

WTF!

Tuesday def had a mixture of Monday and Tuesday shoppers

[iamthesgt]

Yeah the commissary was busy here too.

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[jgreco138]

If this goes the full 9 years, which I doubt it will, expect to see commissaries and PX/BX/NEX's consolidated.

[iamthesgt]

If this goes the full 9 years, which I doubt it will, expect to see commissaries and PX/BX/NEX's consolidated.

Which would probably mean less selection on both sides.

[Rickety Rob]

Which would probably mean less selection on both sides.

They never have good selections to begin with.

Hence why most of the PX's are now converting over to a Walmart appearance.

[iamthesgt]

They never have good selections to begin with.

Hence why most of the PX's are now converting over to a Walmart appearance.

Really? Commissary has good selection, BX's are pretty decent. I mean, it's not a Wal-Mart, but it's pretty good.

[Rickety Rob]

Really? Commissary has good selection, BX's are pretty decent. I mean, it's not a Wal-Mart, but it's pretty good.

The PX over here at Ft. Meade is converting to a Wal-Mart appearance.

Probably to bring more selection to the shoppers.

I've never seen any PX or BX that had good selections but I'm a different shopper than those who do shop there.

[jgreco138]

The PX over here at Ft. Meade is converting to a Wal-Mart appearance.

Probably to bring more selection to the shoppers.

I've never seen any PX or BX that had good selections but I'm a different shopper than those who do shop there.

Wal-Mart is AFEES' only competition. They have to have competitive pricing compared to off post stores, and Wal-Mart forced them to drop their prices.

[Rickety Rob]

Wal-Mart is AFEES' only competition. They have to have competitive pricing compared to off post stores, and Wal-Mart forced them to drop their prices.

And I bet the Wal-Mart where I live at is killing the PX on Ft. Meade in sales

[GhostOverride]

I've noticed the BX really depends on where you live, here in Jersey its ok....the one at Whiteman in MO crap at the time I was there. The one in Nebraska was pretty good the last time I was out there to visit.

[iamthesgt]

And I bet the Wal-Mart where I live at is killing the PX on Ft. Meade in sales

That was a big PX (combined with the PXtra next door). The one at Ft. Benning is bigger IIRC, but the one one Meade is pretty good.

[Rickety Rob]

That was a big PX (combined with the PXtra next door). The one at Ft. Benning is bigger IIRC, but the one one Meade is pretty good.

The commissary is awesome but the PX...not so much lol.

They are rebuilding a new PX right in front of the old one.

I'm interested how they are able to fund such a thing with all this bs going on

[jgreco138]

The commissary and PX are owned by two different companies, and contracted oit by the government. I'm sure there are government funds involved, but they were probably earmarked funds.

[jxspyder]

The commissary is awesome but the PX...not so much lol.

They are rebuilding a new PX right in front of the old one.

I'm interested how they are able to fund such a thing with all this bs going on

Probably a surplus of MWR dollars.

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[iamthesgt]

The commissary and PX are owned by two different companies, and contracted oit by the government. I'm sure there are government funds involved, but they were probably earmarked funds.

Yeah commissary is DECA, PX is AAFES


The commissary is awesome but the PX...not so much lol.

They are rebuilding a new PX right in front of the old one.

I'm interested how they are able to fund such a thing with all this bs going on

It's been awhile since I been up there, so that could be why.

[BilgeRatBilly]

The BX at Fairchild is mediocre at best, but our commissary is pretty legit. The Ft Lewis-McChord BX is pretty nice, and the one at Nellis is incredible.

Sounds like you guys just need to join the AF ;)

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[iamthesgt]

I gotta say AF does have the nicest stuff, but what do you expect from a bunch of uniformed video gamers ;)

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[GhostOverride]

I gotta say AF does have the nicest stuff, but what do you expect from a bunch of uniformed video gamers ;)

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^^so true lmao!

[BilgeRatBilly]

I got nothing :sly:

Gotta tell it like it is.

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[jxspyder]

The BX at Fairchild is mediocre at best, but our commissary is pretty legit. The Ft Lewis-McChord BX is pretty nice, and the one at Nellis is incredible.

Sounds like you guys just need to join the AF ;)

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Why when you can join the Army and use anything the Airforce has? You know what AAFES stands for, right?

Was kinda nice to run over to McChord's PX back when it was first built. Only thing Lewis had over it was the view.

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[Rickety Rob]

Probably a surplus of MWR dollars.

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What sucks is that they cut a shit ton of hours for those who work at the commissary.

How in the world are they going to build a bigger PX and pay those to work there.

My mom works at the commissary and now she has 3 days off and the amount of hours she works are starting to be cut.

I think this is biggest crock of shit.

Fuck the Obama administration and fuck those who are making us go through this shit.

My money is being wasted on fucks in other countries.

Protect this protect that bull shit they say...when the countries who say they are fighting terrorism is producing that shit.

Get our troops out of Afghan, quit paying millions of dollars to Pakistan and put that money back into the states.

[iamthesgt]

What sucks is that they cut a shit ton of hours for those who work at the commissary.

How in the world are they going to build a bigger PX and pay those to work there.

My mom works at the commissary and now she has 3 days off and the amount of hours she works are starting to be cut.

I think this is biggest crock of shit.

Fuck the Obama administration and fuck those who are making us go through this shit.

My money is being wasted on fucks in other countries.

Protect this protect that bull shit they say...when the countries who say they are fighting terrorism is producing that shit.

Get our troops out of Afghan, quit paying millions of dollars to Pakistan and put that money back into the states.

Amen! Preach brother Rob!

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[BilgeRatBilly]

Why when you can join the Army and use anything the Airforce has? You know what AAFES stands for, right?

Was kinda nice to run over to McChord's PX back when it was first built. Only thing Lewis had over it was the view.

Sent from the muddy banks of the Wishkaw

Well you can cause you're co-located :D There are only a few joint bases so far, though I'm sure they will become more prominent in the future.

Of course I do.. All Air Force Expected Services... right? ;)

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[iamthesgt]

Well you can cause you're co-located :D There are only a few joint bases so far, though I'm sure they will become more prominent in the future.

Of course I do.. All Air Force Expected Services... right? ;)


I'm pretty sure that was a joke. But just in case, it's actually Army Air Force Exchange Service...:eek:

[jxspyder]

Well you can cause you're co-located :D There are only a few joint bases so far, though I'm sure they will become more prominent in the future.

Of course I do.. All Air Force Expected Services... right? ;)

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Lol, yep. Yeah, that was one of the great things about this area.

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[BilgeRatBilly]

I'm pretty sure that was a joke. But just in case, it's actually Army Air Force Exchange Service...:eek:

You're funny :beer:

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[GhostOverride]

Well I guess the commissary here at McGuire will be open for only half a day on Mondays. They will be opening late and closing early....great

[iamthesgt]

You're funny :beer:

I try :cheers:

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[jgreco138]

For any National Guard duel status technicians out there, NGB has given money to each state to make up for the furlough days. Contact your units to get on orders. You technically can't work at your job, but if you do the same thing on the weekends, you should be good.

[Rickety Rob]

Well I guess the commissary here at McGuire will be open for only half a day on Mondays. They will be opening late and closing early....great

Their mondays are soon to come to an end

[GhostOverride]

Their mondays are soon to come to an end

Yup...sure did

[BigFreeze99]

As I mentioned a few weeks ago (in my Veteran's Info Thread), that the Sequestration days would be cut. Here are Sec Hagel's comments. He has made two trips to my area in as many months. If you read this release you will notice the warning that the cuts for FY 14 will be 40% more than this year.

http://www.defense.gov/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=16191

Mike

[GhostOverride]

Don't know about the other services at this point, but the Air Force just reduced the furloughs for civilians by 5 weeks, so by August 17 they will be over

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Yup its a time served deal. Two more weeks and the furlough is done for FY13. With FY14 looming I hope it improves. For USAF guys anyways. I'd imagine it's DoD wide.

[GhostOverride]

Yup its a time served deal. Two more weeks and the furlough is done for FY13. With FY14 looming I hope it improves. For USAF guys anyways. I'd imagine it's DoD wide.

More than likely, but I didn't want to get any hopes up just in case

[Bull3tBait]

Our mgmt warned of possible RIFs next FY. Especially since we are over our PBG


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....

[jgreco138]

Our mgmt warned of possible RIFs next FY. Especially since we are over our PBG


There Ain't no Rest for the Wicked.....

There will be RIFs next year. Expect National Guard/Reserves AGRs to take a hit.

[Stavictus]

There will be RIFs next year. Expect National Guard/Reserves AGRs to take a hit.

Just another example of the government paying themselves and bending is over backwards and putting it in dry.

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[GhostOverride]

Just another example of the government paying themselves and bending is over backwards and putting it in dry.

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Agreed and Hagle is looking at deep cuts in force size as well as mothballing the B52

[BigFreeze99]

Commissaries back to normal hours after this year's sequestration.... But stand-by for the next round in the upcoming FY.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/08/08/commissaries-back-to-normal-hours-after-furloughs.html?comp=700001075741&rank=3 (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/08/08/commissaries-back-to-normal-hours-after-furloughs.html?comp=700001075741&rank=3)

Mike

[Rickety Rob]

That's awesome.

Now my mom will get to work all the normal hours she used to have

[jgreco138]

The new fiscal year starts on October 1st. With that there could be more furloughs handed out and possible lay offs. If you're a federal employee, the worst is yet to come.

[BigFreeze99]

The new fiscal year starts on October 1st. With that there could be more furloughs handed out and possible lay offs. If you're a federal employee, the worst is yet to come.
Yep, my (she thinks she's) my better half, reports. The MEF HQ is contemplating a move from Lejeune to Virginia. The Base will be reducing it's size (man/woman power) by 24%. And to top it all off... The Air Force is taking shorter flights to Afghanistan to save money...
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/09/24/air-force-shortens-cargo-routes-from-afghanistan.html?comp=700001075741&rank=1

This breaks my heart. We used to always break down in Rhein-Main for a week or two... longer if it was around Oktoberfest.

[BigFreeze99]

This is going to hurt.
1. Write your resume.
2. Make copies of.... Every freaking thing.
3. Get ready to move.
4. Make an impact, NOW, and keep yourself important.

Two articles to digest. BRAC is back at it with new recommendations (bases, PX, and commissaries stand by). More active duty cuts in the mix in the second article. If it does effect/affect you, just keep your powder dry until the voting booths are open.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/09/25/defense-panel-recommends-brac-benefit-changes.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1 (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/09/25/defense-panel-recommends-brac-benefit-changes.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1)
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/09/25/study-pentagon-could-shed-60000-more-troops.html?comp=700001075741&rank=1 (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/09/25/study-pentagon-could-shed-60000-more-troops.html?comp=700001075741&rank=1)

Mike

[Stavictus]

Yea it is going to be bad I fear. Hopefully we all get lucky and it does not get to ugly. But I think this time it is going to be real bad.

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[jgreco138]

The last thing I got at work was to show up Tuesday(I don't work Mondays) and see if there is anyone there to hand out our furlough papers. I think they're going to extend the deadline at least 30 days though.

[Stavictus]

I love the big hurray for me and **** you from Congress.

Now let's see how long we go without being paid. All the while those ******* *** holes get paid.

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[BigFreeze99]

Two articles. They are a bit behind the power curve, but worth a read if you are a mushroom.

Top article is for Veterans. Compensation is good until the end of the month... then ... You are on your own. Unless things change.
Second article is about the Active duty members. Your pay is safe for the FY, but civilian workers for the DOD is not... it is a case by case basis. Some base facilities are going to be closed. PX open... Commissary closed.... and on and on.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/10/01/government-shutdown-freezes-key-va-services.html?comp=700001075741&rank=1 (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/10/01/government-shutdown-freezes-key-va-services.html?comp=700001075741&rank=1)
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/10/01/troops-pay-protected-as-government-shuts-down.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1 (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/10/01/troops-pay-protected-as-government-shuts-down.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1)

[jgreco138]

They've got 30 mins to give me my papers then I have to leave. They can't even screw us over without jacking it up.

[Rickety Rob]

Happy Furlough Day everyone

Sorry if you fall in this category and have to get the boot till the end it.

Till then, drink a beer or two for me

[BigFreeze99]

In case you didn't get your letter... have my copy...lol

http://www.va.gov/opa/docs/Message-from-the-President-to-US-Government-Employees.pdf (http://www.va.gov/opa/docs/Message-from-the-President-to-US-Government-Employees.pdf)


NO it isn't really mine... this is the letter the Honorable Mr. Obama sent to the Government Employees.

Mike

[Rickety Rob]

I'm not sure if any of you heard but all commissaries are closed.

Have fun at your local grocery store while paying for over priced food

[BigFreeze99]

I'm not sure if any of you heard but all commissaries are closed.

Have fun at your local grocery store while paying for over priced food

Yep, I posted that in the Veterans info thread... Sent the wife to the commissary last night... what a freaking nightmare...

[Rickety Rob]

Yep, I posted that in the Veterans info thread... Sent the wife to the commissary last night... what a freaking nightmare...

The commissary on Ft. Meade was slammed.

Made me not want to deal with the loooooooooong lines in the there

[BigFreeze99]

The commissary on Ft. Meade was slammed.

Made me not want to deal with the loooooooooong lines in the there

Picture on the front page of the Daily News here in Jacksonville, NC (Camp Lejeune)... long lines... crazy woman... crying kids... bruised bananas...
Damn sounds like a Filipino whore house I visited years ago...

[Rickety Rob]

Damn sounds like a Filipino whore house I visited years ago...

Bhahahahaha!

Thanks for the laugh

[Stavictus]

Well some others like me have gotten lucky and got moved to the exempt list thanks to Secretary Hagel (sp?). Or that we all get lucky and get any furloughed days payed anyways cause then it will be free a free extended vacation.

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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

The civilians are back at work here but I haven't heard anything about pay. The commissary is also back open, thank baby Jesus.

[jgreco138]

To all the duel status technicians, check your LES's. We didn't acrue leave last pay period because we went over 80 hours of leave without pay in '13. Another kick in the pants.

[GhostOverride]

To all the duel status technicians, check your LES's. We didn't acrue leave last pay period because we went over 80 hours of leave without pay in '13. Another kick in the pants.

Thanks for that tidbit John, I'm passing it on to my guys as we speak, now I'm just hoping my active duty pay isn't screwed with


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[jgreco138]

Thanks for that tidbit John, I'm passing it on to my guys as we speak, now I'm just hoping my active duty pay isn't screwed with


Sent from my fancy new squak box

No problem. This may also cause us to acrue less leave next year, hopefully not though.

[BilgeRatBilly]

No problem. This may also cause us to acrue less leave next year, hopefully not though.

I was told it goes in 80 hr increments. So if you hit another 80 hrs by the end of the year you'll lose it again, but on the positive side it also resets Jan 1 so you get to start fresh at the beginning of the leave year.

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[jgreco138]

I was told it goes in 80 hr increments. So if you hit another 80 hrs by the end of the year you'll lose it again, but on the positive side it also resets Jan 1 so you get to start fresh at the beginning of the leave year.

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The weekly furlough days are supposedly starting again in January.

[BilgeRatBilly]

Now that they've determined that we fall under the pay the military act, shouldn't that go away for military?

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[jgreco138]

Now that they've determined that we fall under the pay the military act, shouldn't that go away for military?

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I hope so. I guess we'll find out.

[Stavictus]

The weekly furlough days are supposedly starting again in January.

Not only will we most likely see furloughs. But the DoD had said that RIFs are not off the table. Which sounds like a nice way of saying I probably won't have a job next year.

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[BigFreeze99]

Just when you thought I would just go away posting this crap.... How did this old F@#$ end up in a gaming forum?

Have a great holiday season... because ... Sequestration is back for next year (like you haven't heard that already).
The recent article shows the GOP (Republican type) are trying to alleviate some of the hurt for the DOD...
My opinion not a chance in this split political nightmare. I think we got hit with 37 Billion before. Mid January is scheduled for a 50 Billion cut.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/11/06/gop-senators-hope-to-untie-hands-of-dod-planners.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1

Mike

[Brian]

Not looking forward to this. Gas, bullets, and parts all cost money.


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[jgreco138]

I refinanced my mortgage just in time.