PS4 / Xbox Infinity

[Valorfall]

So its getting to that point again, the choice of new systems. While in the past, I have had a PS-PS3 and Xbox-Xbox360, Gamecube-Wii. So I consider myself unbias on the fanboy stuff. I will be going with the system that fits my needs as a gamer. I'm worried that the Xbox Infinity is going to be to family entertainment and not enough gaming. Yes there will be big budget games but from what I'm hearing from tons of sources is that microsoft isn't giving developers the support and tools they are needing/requesting to make those truely unique games. PS4 seems to be at the ready to go all out to give developers and gamers what they want and need without any issues. We will be hearing details about Xbox Infinity in 10 days and I can truely start to make a choice on which one I'm going to be getting, but as of now I am leaving towards the PS4. Things could change in the future..

As always I want to hear all your opinions on this matter, just before you type anything step back and look at the overall picture with an unbias viewpoint ( try not to start fan boy arguements ). I really just want to get a feel for what people are thinking.

[Port66]

So its getting to that point again, the choice of new systems. While in the past, I have had a PS-PS3 and Xbox-Xbox360, Gamecube-Wii. So I consider myself unbias on the fanboy stuff. I will be going with the system that fits my needs as a gamer. I'm worried that the Xbox Infinity is going to be to family entertainment and not enough gaming. Yes there will be big budget games but from what I'm hearing from tons of sources is that microsoft isn't giving developers the support and tools they are needing/requesting to make those truely unique games. PS4 seems to be at the ready to go all out to give developers and gamers what they want and need without any issues. We will be hearing details about Xbox Infinity in 10 days and I can truely start to make a choice on which one I'm going to be getting, but as of now I am leaving towards the PS4. Things could change in the future..

As always I want to hear all your opinions on this matter, just before you type anything step back and look at the overall picture with an unbias viewpoint ( try not to start fan boy arguements ). I really just want to get a feel for what people are thinking.


for me its the same, both offer quite a bit, I am leaning toward Xbox, mainly cause of ease of use and more usable bells and whistles. I can order and download games from my pc and the xbox will download it. I have an autistic boy who loves Kinect gaming nights. I wasnt too impressed with PS4's and they still want to color code sensor the controller like the move system I feel failed me. there new camera may be better in the future.

Also which developers matters because we all play some different titles. I always like Halo and Gears. I really hope Microsoft goes with the Blue ray this time around.

[Valorfall]

Also which developers matters because we all play some different titles. I always like Halo and Gears. I really hope Microsoft goes with the Blue ray this time around.

Pretty much all the main game developers you can think of for xbox have been push out of their titles and their games given to other companies which microsoft controls. Like halo's 343 studios..... So xbox seems to have lost all their console exclusive titles....

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

As a person who has owned both sides PS/Xbox I have always tended to lean toward PS when it launches but always end up with Xbox as my hardcore system. Though the graphics aren't as good I have always liked Xbox's controller over PS and Live even though I have to pay for it. I am hopeful that in 9 days I will hear some stuff that makes me make my decision. I really don't want to buy both systems this time round since I have 2 boy gamers who always want what Dad has. So I am eventually going to have to buy one for them as well. At this point I can't say what I am going to do but I am already leaning 60/40 in favor for Xbox without hearing details yet.

[Port66]

Pretty much all the main game developers you can think of for xbox have been push out of their titles and their games given to other companies which microsoft controls. Like halo's 343 studios..... So xbox seems to have lost all their console exclusive titles....


I see that as a good thing, some xbox games lacked some video quality PS3 had. I think as the fall gets closer we will see if xbox even has any exclusives left, having family in the Xbox support and psychological teams helps me get some things cheaper too. they tried getting me one of those kinect choppers free, but couldnt.

[Port66]

As a person who has owned both sides PS/Xbox I have always tended to lean toward PS when it launches but always end up with Xbox as my hardcore system. Though the graphics aren't as good I have always liked Xbox's controller over PS and Live even though I have to pay for it. I am hopeful that in 9 days I will hear some stuff that makes me make my decision. I really don't want to buy both systems this time round since I have 2 boy gamers who always want what Dad has. So I am eventually going to have to buy one for them as well. At this point I can't say what I am going to do but I am already leaning 60/40 in favor for Xbox without hearing details yet.


you need a bulk discount lol

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

you need a bulk discount lol

True that. As much money as I have dumped into them you think I would have some kind of Platinum status. Lol

[Valorfall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxv5J3gC7A8

[iamthesgt]

I haven't heard anything about the new Xbox not being good for games, or of devs not getting the necessary tools. I think Halo will probably stay Xbox-exclusive. I don't see any real disadvantages for the new Xbox until we actually see the reveal.

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[NwG_SnakeEyes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxv5J3gC7A8

Who wants to punch the guy with the leather jacket in the face more than me! Lol For real it brought back a lot of memories regarding launch lineups and I agree Sony has always won in that regard but also flopped as well. Remember Heavy Rain was the big game they were using to show off the capabilities of the PS3 and it was supposed to be the big launch title. Yea they ended up not releasing it until 2010.

[jxspyder]

Pretty much all the main game developers you can think of for xbox have been push out of their titles and their games given to other companies which microsoft controls. Like halo's 343 studios..... So xbox seems to have lost all their console exclusive titles....

How have they lost exclusives and forced developers out of their games? Bungie wanted to move on to new games, so MS formed 343 with core Bungie personnel, added to them, and made a massively successful entry in to a brand new trilogy. That was, last i checked, exclusive to MS. Hell, MS still owns minority interest in Bungie. And has owned the Halo IP outright for years now.

Might want to double-check whatever gave you that story, cause it sounds like a Sony fanboy daydream.

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[Valorfall]

How have they lost exclusives and forced developers out of their games? Bungie wanted to move on to new games, so MS formed 343 with core Bungie personnel, added to them, and made a massively successful entry in to a brand new trilogy. That was, last i checked, exclusive to MS. Hell, MS still owns minority interest in Bungie. And has owned the Halo IP outright for years now.

Might want to double-check whatever gave you that story, cause it sounds like a Sony fanboy daydream.

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sorry I retract my comment about halo. 343 studios is still keeping halo on xbox.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9csiPWdc4k




I haven't heard anything about the new Xbox not being good for games, or of devs not getting the necessary tools. I think Halo will probably stay Xbox-exclusive. I don't see any real disadvantages for the new Xbox until we actually see the reveal.

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heres one of the videos with indie developers, as soon as i find the other i will post it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAixOLSumsM

and yes we can only speculate until the reveal. So I beg of you to take everything with a grain of salt. I am not here to argue i am here to here other peoples perspective on what they feel is motivating them on the choice.

[GhostOverride]

I can see where Microsoft is going to be the family friendly among system. I have owned both since launch and with all new consoles at launch tree are growing pains and lack of software. If I ad to decide right now it would be PS4, however I'm waiting to see what Microsoft has up their sleeves. Another big decision will be price point, there is no way I can affor to brand new consoles at launch especially with the way the costs have risen over the years.

[ValhallaCQC]

All I want is upgradable hardware. I don't see any reason they can't include user friendly, plug and play, hardware upgrades. That would sell me.

[MaximusR3]

All I want is upgradable hardware. I don't see any reason they can't include user friendly, plug and play, hardware upgrades. That would sell me.

both current systems allow for add on hard drives, Microsoft with their exclusive XBOX360 drives and Sony with standard laptop hard drives and both systems allowing USB drive support. This will no doubt continue into the next console generation. Or are you wanting upgradable RAM and graphics cards? That unfortunately is not something I see coming any time soon because it takes the simplicity out of consoles, which is a large selling feature for many users. Basically, with a computer you have to check that your specs meet or exceed the requirements for each game or it will not run properly. Not with a console though, if the game says it's for the console you have, it works. period. no wondering if your console is going to have enough power to run it at full specs, and developers also don't need to worry about making it work with various settings either.

Not that there is anything wrong with games having different requirements to achieve various levels of quality, it's just something we typically only see in the PC division due to the high level of customization available in a PC. There have been a few exceptions, like the N64's RAM upgrade but few games came out that supported it and even fewer that required it. Only reason I had one was because Nintendo bundled it with Donkey Kong 64, and it was the only game I had that used it. Overall I think they probably found it was not an overly successful (profitable) venture that created more questions than dollars

[Rickety Rob]

I not going to get any of them.

At least while they're brand new.

I'll probably end up waiting till my old Xbox blows up or until I really want to get the new one.

Plus, I just bought the one I have now, so buying another one within a years time is not something I plan on doing.

[A1000YrdStare03]

I am just going to wait until the 21st for the announcement then decide after weighing the pros and cons of both systems!!


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[jxspyder]

I am just going to wait until the 21st for the announcement then decide after weighing the pros and cons of both systems!!


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Yeah, its kind of hard to compare the two at the moment.


That said, I'm leaning more towards MS simply because it won for me the last gen. There would have to be some serious issues for me to switch.

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[GhostOverride]

I am just going to wait until the 21st for the announcement then decide after weighing the pros and cons of both systems!!


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I'm in the same boat, not sure which way I'm going to go yet, there is going to be a lot to consider.

[toby2533]

most likely get the Infinity at launch and then the PS4 on the after holiday sales depending on what the price point is. Kids can't wait since I handing over the 360 to them for there minecraft fix.

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

As long as they carry over Gamerscore and tags that's mostly what I care about. Put a lot of work into mine.

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

As long as they carry over Gamerscore and tags that's mostly what I care about. Put a lot of work into mine.

I'm feeling you on that bro!

[toby2533]

they did not carry over all my gamer-scores going from the xbox to the 360 but they did keep my join date for xbox live.

[iamthesgt]

I'm not too worried about gamerscore. Mine's so low it won't matter.

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[jxspyder]

I don't remember the original box having gamerscores.

I don't think they'll roll-over or reset, but run two separate numbers.

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[BilgeRatBilly]

I don't remember the original box having gamerscores.

I don't think they'll roll-over or reset, but run two separate numbers.

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I don't either... And I see Jared getting mad when the new one comes out :eek: sorry

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[toby2533]

you are right I thouhgt I lost some of my gamer score at some time,

Gamerscore The Gamerscore (G) is an achievements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_%28video_gaming%29) system that measures the number of Achievement points accumulated by a user with a LIVE profile. These Achievement points are awarded for the completion of game-specific challenges, such as beating a level (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_%28computer_and_video_games%29) or amassing a specified number of wins against other players in online matches.
Initially, retail Xbox 360 games offered up to 1,000G spread over a variable number of Achievements, while each Xbox Live Arcade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live_Arcade) title contained 12 Achievements totaling 200G. On February 1, 2007, Microsoft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft) announced on their Gamerscore Blog some new policies that developers must follow related to Gamerscore and Achievements in future releases.[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live#cite_note-34) All regular disc-based games must have 1,000 Gamerscore points in the base game; the title can ship with fewer than 1,000 points, but anything added later must be free. Game developers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_developer) also now have the option of adding up to 250 points via downloadable content every quarter after the first year of release (for a total of 1,750 points). Xbox Live Arcade titles must have 200 Gamerscore and may add up to 50 points via downloadable content (for a total of 250 points).[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live#cite_note-35)
On May 26, 2007, Halo 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_2) was the first Games for Windows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_for_Windows) title to feature Achievements, which counted towards a player's Gamerscore.
On March 25, 2008, Microsoft cracked down on "Gamerscore cheaters" (those who used external tools to artificially inflate their Gamerscore), and reduced their Gamerscores to zero without the option to recover the scores that had been "earned", and branded the player by denoting on their Gamertag that they were a "Cheater".[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live#cite_note-36)
The development of the Gamerscore system has created a new niche in the internet economy. Many websites have been created to provide gamers with tips and tricks for getting achievement points. Some sites are solely devoted to these achievement guides, and some blogs provide gaming guides in addition to their other content.

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

I don't remember the original box having gamerscores.

I don't think they'll roll-over or reset, but run two separate numbers.

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Yea I think your right I don't remember them on the original Xbox but I think they will find a way to merge them somehow. There are a lot of gamers that really track and put a lot of time into their achievements and trophies for them not to at least consider it.

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

I don't either... And I see Jared getting mad when the new one comes out :eek: sorry

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There were no achievements on the old Box. It offers a lot to me because I enjoy completing things... it's fun. If they do not roll over I will flip shit. It should just be a continuation of it. Considering how much is invested in the achievement system I don't see why they wouldn't.

[HAVOK]

There were no achievements on the old Box. It offers a lot to me because I enjoy completing things... it's fun. If they do not roll over I will flip shit. It should just be a continuation of it. Considering how much is invested in the achievement system I don't see why they wouldn't.

This. I'll lose my fucking shit if they don't roll over. I spent MANY hours accumulating a pretty decent GamerScore. I whored every game for a long time, I'd hate to see it all thrown away...

[RogueScot]

As long as they carry over Gamerscore and tags that's mostly what I care about. Put a lot of work into mine.

It's good to have a hobby, I guess. :) I never pay any attention to mine.

[Port66]

I don't keep track of it, but I think it's cool when an achievement pops up as done.


Tapatalk HD, high def ranting.

[GhostOverride]

I don't keep track of it, but I think it's cool when an achievement pops up as done.


Tapatalk HD, high def ranting.

Thats how I feel about it, I don't worry about hitting the achievements but it is nice when I get one. For all of the achievement whores out there I don't see why they wouldn't transfer the gamer tag and score over to the next system, but keep in mind that there will more than likely be no backwards compatibility so if you don't get everything in a 360 title you probably never will after it transfers....unless they have a real time updating system that links across both platforms....guess we will find out on the 21st....or at E3

[Port66]

Thats how I feel about it, I don't worry about hitting the achievements but it is nice when I get one. For all of the achievement whores out there I don't see why they wouldn't transfer the gamer tag and score over to the next system, but keep in mind that there will more than likely be no backwards compatibility so if you don't get everything in a 360 title you probably never will after it transfers....unless they have a real time updating system that links across both platforms....guess we will find out on the 21st....or at E3

Yeah but achievements are in windows 8 and windows phones, I think it will continue on the next xbox


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[jxspyder]

Thats how I feel about it, I don't worry about hitting the achievements but it is nice when I get one. For all of the achievement whores out there I don't see why they wouldn't transfer the gamer tag and score over to the next system, but keep in mind that there will more than likely be no backwards compatibility so if you don't get everything in a 360 title you probably never will after it transfers....unless they have a real time updating system that links across both platforms....guess we will find out on the 21st....or at E3

I'd disagree, and based on more recent rumors there should be some, if not 100% backwards compatibility.

And come to think of it, one of the "selling points" of the Windows phones was the ability to link your account and increase your gamerscore. Likewise with the tablet.

Looking forward a bit more to next week. Scheduled the recording on the dvr, and I might need to set up my dvr app to watch it at work.

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[NwG_SnakeEyes]

I'd disagree, and based on more recent rumors there should be some, if not 100% backwards compatibility.

And come to think of it, one of the "selling points" of the Windows phones was the ability to link your account and increase your gamerscore. Likewise with the tablet.

Looking forward a bit more to next week. Scheduled the recording on the dvr, and I might need to set up my dvr app to watch it at work.

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Yea I got the DVR set and I think I might be able to watch it on my DirectTV app

[GhostOverride]

I'd disagree, and based on more recent rumors there should be some, if not 100% backwards compatibility.

And come to think of it, one of the "selling points" of the Windows phones was the ability to link your account and increase your gamerscore. Likewise with the tablet.

Looking forward a bit more to next week. Scheduled the recording on the dvr, and I might need to set up my dvr app to watch it at work.

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The problem with the backwards compatibility is there is new chip set architecture being used in both the "720" and the PS4, Sony has already said that you will not be able to play PS3 games on it. Don't get me wrong I want it to be there just won't be surprised if its not....remember what tey did with the Xbox to 360 compatability

[jxspyder]

The problem with the backwards compatibility is there is new chip set architecture being used in both the "720" and the PS4, Sony has already said that you will not be able to play PS3 games on it. Don't get me wrong I want it to be there just won't be surprised if its not....remember what tey did with the Xbox to 360 compatability

Yeah, the 360 had partial. And it'd definitely be cool.....at least for a couple months. Then it won't be much more than novelty. I was just bringing up some of the most recent rumors.

I'm curious though, when backwards compatibility became so important and 'must-have'.

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[GhostOverride]

Yeah, the 360 had partial. And it'd definitely be cool.....at least for a couple months. Then it won't be much more than novelty. I was just bringing up some of the most recent rumors.

I'm curious though, when backwards compatibility became so important and 'must-have'.

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As far as I know the PS2 was the first to do it, I think people just got spoiled by being able to play their old games on new hardware....to me it's not that important...just a bonus

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

For me it was a game changer from PS2 to 3. Yes you could buy the backwards compatible one but they are quite a bit more expensive. It just made sense with my PS2 that I was able to experience the amazingness of my whole PlayStation 1 collection when I wanted. It will definitely help justify the amount of money millions of people everywhere have put into their collections so they don't have to hook up a 360 to play 360 games they can just keep rolling with the "720"

[GhostOverride]

For me it was a game changer from PS2 to 3. Yes you could buy the backwards compatible one but they are quite a bit more expensive. It just made sense with my PS2 that I was able to experience the amazingness of my whole PlayStation 1 collection when I wanted. It will definitely help justify the amount of money millions of people everywhere have put into their collections so they don't have to hook up a 360 to play 360 games they can just keep rolling with the "720"

Heres to keeping our fingers crossed

[Rickety Rob]

For me it was a game changer from PS2 to 3. Yes you could buy the backwards compatible one but they are quite a bit more expensive. It just made sense with my PS2 that I was able to experience the amazingness of my whole PlayStation 1 collection when I wanted. It will definitely help justify the amount of money millions of people everywhere have put into their collections so they don't have to hook up a 360 to play 360 games they can just keep rolling with the "720"

That would be awesome if they had it to were you could play your old Xbox 360 games on the new console.

Than that might be something that would encourage me into buying the new console

[A1000YrdStare03]

I don't see MS getting rid of gamer scores. They just started this whole rewards program based on gamer score so why would they do away with it. That wouldn't make sense.


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[jxspyder]

I don't see MS getting rid of gamer scores. They just started this whole rewards program based on gamer score so why would they do away with it. That wouldn't make sense.


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They wouldn't get rid of the GS system, just hypothetically reset scores on the 720.

As long as there was a halfway justifiable reason I'd be okay with it. Its not like the achievement whores wouldn't continue to whore. There would even be incentive to do so now, thanks to the reward system.

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[A1000YrdStare03]

If they are planning on doing that, why would they entice people to build there gamer score now on the 360?? You would just piss off people like Jared who put a lot of time in doing the achievements. If they didn't address it at all then I would think they will get rid of it but since they have made such a big deal about it I doubt they will do away with the scores. I think they will carry over. But we will find out next week, right!!! Lol


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[NwG_SnakeEyes]

If they are planning on doing that, why would they entice people to build there gamer score now on the 360?? You would just piss off people like Jared who put a lot of time in doing the achievements. If they didn't address it at all then I would think they will get rid of it but since they have made such a big deal about it I doubt they will do away with the scores. I think they will carry over. But we will find out next week, right!!! Lol


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Agreed and the countdown continues...6 Days!

[jxspyder]

If they are planning on doing that, why would they entice people to build there gamer score now on the 360?? You would just piss off people like Jared who put a lot of time in doing the achievements. If they didn't address it at all then I would think they will get rid of it but since they have made such a big deal about it I doubt they will do away with the scores. I think they will carry over. But we will find out next week, right!!! Lol


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Are you referring to "MyAchievements"?

Resetting them specifically on the new system would benefit them more than not, since the only achievement based rewards are 1% and 2% off marketplace purchases. And that's at 25k, tops.

But yeah, completely resetting the account would be dumb. I think I was looking at something more like the annual reset you get in games like Battlefield or CoD.

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[GhostOverride]

Yeah I forgot about that whole rewards system that they started. As far as live goes they will probably just import the entire gamercard, shouldn't matter if you have a gold or silver account either......tick...tick....tick

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

Yeah I forgot about that whole rewards system that they started. As far as live goes they will probably just import the entire gamercard, shouldn't matter if you have a gold or silver account either......tick...tick....tick

I love the rewards system and the way the give you discounts and gamer points.

[ValhallaCQC]

After much thought, I've made up my mind. I'm going with the x51. It's everything I could want or ask for. Goodbye console..

[iamthesgt]

After much thought, I've made up my mind. I'm going with the x51. It's everything I could want or ask for. Goodbye console..

You can build a nice desktop for a lot cheaper than you cab buy an Alienware for

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[jxspyder]

You can build a nice desktop for a lot cheaper than you cab buy an Alienware for

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Yeah, but if you buy it, all you have to do is plug it in.

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[Port66]

Yeah its put together but I enjoy the assembly of new parts. I have a 3 yr old dell server I was going to throw a video card in and see how it plays eve and some shooters.

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[Ragingclue]

Probably going with the green team next Gen.

[RogueScot]

If backwards compatibility is important to you, why not...keep the old console when you buy the new one. :)

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

I will keep my 360 that wouldn't be the issue. It's just the space it takes up and some TVs are only capable of supporting one system at a time. I would rather have one system that I could continually play rather than go back and forth.

[GhostOverride]

I will keep my 360 that wouldn't be the issue. It's just the space it takes up and some TVs are only capable of supporting one system at a time. I would rather have one system that I could continually play rather than go back and forth.

You need an HDMI switch my friend...they are pretty cheap

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

You need an HDMI switch my friend...they are pretty cheap

True that would make sense. I'm just liking the idea if I have a big bad new console it should have all the bells and whistles.

[Port66]

My TV has 4 HDMI inputs but I would like to retired the 360 when I'm done upgrading to the new
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[iamthesgt]

Yeah, but if you buy it, all you have to do is plug it in.

True, but like Port said, if you do it yourself, its fun even during that process.

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[NwG_SnakeEyes]

My TV has 4 HDMI inputs but I would like to retired the 360 when I'm done upgrading to the new
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That would be nice but will definitely keep my 360 hooked up if there is no backwards compatibility.

[GhostOverride]

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Courtesy of Joystiq

Microsoft Interactive Entertainment Business Chief of Staff Aaron Greenberg recently stopped by the Major Nelson podcast to discuss next week's Xbox reveal event and how Microsoft will show its "vision for the future of games."

"We're really going to tell one story across two events. So we're going to start on the 21st and really that's about revealing the next Xbox platform, really our vision for the future of games, the future of entertainment. We definitely have a lot of surprises planned." Greenberg then specifically called out Call of Duty: Ghosts, which will have its next-generation engine demoed during the Microsoft event.

"People are going to get a great inside look at really the making of the new platform and the team that's brought it to life," Greenberg added. "I mean, to be honest it's really about the team, the people here. That's why we're inviting people to campus, we're going to bring them behind the scenes a little bit. We've never done this before and so it's really exciting to be able to do that. But I think it's a lot of laying the foundation - probably the best way to describe it - and then just a couple of weeks later we go to E3."

Greenberg concluded that more will be shown at E3 and after, leading into this holiday season. "E3 is all about the games. At E3, I mean, if you're a gamer, it's going to be tons of exclusives, world premieres and obviously even beyond that we have a lot to share between then and this holiday."

The Xbox event takes place on May 21 at Microsoft's Redmond campus, located in Washington state. Be sure to have your browser locked to Joystiq starting at 1pm ET (6pm GMT, 10am PT) for all of the scoops, commentary and neatly organized words you've come to expect.

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

I'm seriously thinking of taking the morning off to watch this.

[GhostOverride]

I'm seriously thinking of taking the morning off to watch this.

Yeah I have to Dvr it or something I have a doc appointment that is at the same time....damn back just keeps on screwing with my life lol

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

Yeah I have to Dvr it or something I have a doc appointment that is at the same time....damn back just keeps on screwing with my life lol

Dude RE:SCHEDULE or you can sacrifice the back for this.

[BigFreeze99]

Hey... I just a "hands on" test of the new XBox controller.....

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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

Hey... I just a "hands on" test of the new XBox controller.....

5492

Yes! Finally a way to guarantee I can be all the kids younger than 14.

[GhostOverride]

Dude RE:SCHEDULE or you can sacrifice the back for this.

LMAO if I had my way I would...pesky wife

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

Hey... I just a "hands on" test of the new XBox controller.....

5492

I will play with that controller everyday of the week

[GhostOverride]

I will play with that controller everyday of the week

does it come with an accelerometer and motion controls

[BigFreeze99]

does it come with an accelerometer and motion controls

I don't know ... but you should see the size of the new Joystick they have coming out for the Ladies version of the XBox.....:aeek:

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

I don't know ... but you should see the size of the new Joystick they have coming out for the Ladies version of the XBox.....:aeek:

LMAO. That is hilarious

[GhostOverride]

I don't know ... but you should see the size of the new Joystick they have coming out for the Ladies version of the XBox.....:aeek:

Well I know I'm not being replaced with the new release then :cool:

[GhostOverride]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H_mM7I9Wsx0

Sony has released a blurry teaser trailer hinting at what the PlayStation 4 will look like.

Courtesy of IGN

[Rickety Rob]

Oooooooooooh shit!

That commercial def made me want to buy a PS4.

NOOOOOOOOT!

That was probably one of the stupidest commercials i've seen to date...Literally.

What a waste of money

[iamthesgt]

Ugh. That just made my head hurt...literally. And my eyes.

[GhostOverride]

Oooooooooooh shit!

That commercial def made me want to buy a PS4.

NOOOOOOOOT!

That was probably one of the stupidest commercials i've seen to date...Literally.

What a waste of money

I agree Rob didn't do much to showcase it, maybe it got hype in Japan but here in 'Merica we want to see the damn thing. Had to post it though...

[jxspyder]

Yeah, don't really understand that one.

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[Port66]

was that supposed to be anti PS4

[iamthesgt]

was that supposed to be anti PS4

I don't think so. It was (hopefully) some PS4 marketing person's resignation

[Valorfall]

Today is the xbox reveal who's watching on xbox? I'm going to make a party on xbl. Feel free to join.

[iamthesgt]

Today is the xbox reveal who's watching on xbox? I'm going to make a party on xbl. Feel free to join.

I'm at work. I'll probably just read a few recaps after the fact.

[jxspyder]

I'm at work. I'll probably just read a few recaps after the fact.

Same. I'll catch updates and releases during my break.

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[NwG_SnakeEyes]

Scored the morning off to watch it.

[GhostOverride]

Yeah I'm heading to my neurosurgery appointment so i have to catch the recap too

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[NwG_SnakeEyes]

FYI. There's another 30 minute special on Spike TV after the official reveal.

[Port66]

my brother and sister in law work at Microsoft, they haven't really slept in days, they are so pumped and nervous. she is a psychologist who actually helped do studies to help decide how it will interact with people. I am hoping to get a good direct from MS deal for the console when its time.

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

my brother and sister in law work at Microsoft, they haven't really slept in days, they are so pumped and nervous. she is a psychologist who actually helped do studies to help decide how it will interact with people. I am hoping to get a good direct from MS deal for the console when its time.

Damn you didn't say you had connections at MS bro. Hook me up too! lol

[Port66]

Yeah some of my games say on the box, not for public use, Microsoft employees only haha.
They keep sending me pics of the Tents and stuff for today


Tapatalk HD, high def ranting.

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

Yeah some of my games say on the box, not for public use, Microsoft employees only haha.
They keep sending me pics of the Tents and stuff for today


Tapatalk HD, high def ranting.

That's awesome.

[GhostOverride]

Now I'm jealous!

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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

XBOX ONE!

[comanche_warior]

Ok so with Cloud does this mean that there is no physical hard drive? So it is an always connected system now, from what that implies so thats gunna suck a big one.

[iamthesgt]

Someone who actually watched the reveal want to write up their recap of the reveal for the homepage?

[jxspyder]

Ok so with Cloud does this mean that there is no physical hard drive? So it is an always connected system now, from what that implies so thats gunna suck a big one.

Not necessarily. The 360 has cloud storage. So do ipods, ipads, and iphones......pretty much ianything. It's pretty obvious that online is necessary for most of the innovations they highlighted.....because they were internet connectivity based functions. But absolutely no where was it even inferred that it was a requirement.

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[NwG_SnakeEyes]

Not necessarily. The 360 has cloud storage. So do ipods, ipads, and iphones......pretty much ianything. It's pretty obvious that online is necessary for most of the innovations they highlighted.....because they were internet connectivity based functions. But absolutely no where was it even inferred that it was a requirement.

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Exactly. I think just like the current Xbox you will able to play games on the go(Like when I take it underway on the submarine) but will not get updates and other stuff without getting it connected.

[iamthesgt]

Exactly. I think just like the current Xbox you will able to play games on the go(Like when I take it underway on the submarine) but will not get updates and other stuff without getting it connected.

Though with the cloud computing, some games will​ require connection.

[comanche_warior]

I heard on the radio 500 gb hdd and a blu ray player comes standard that will be sweet so i wonder if the kinect will sell in the same package as the One since its so intertwined. Im glad its not always connected that would be a major blow fest right there.

[MaximusR3]

I heard on the radio 500 gb hdd and a blu ray player comes standard that will be sweet so i wonder if the kinect will sell in the same package as the One since its so intertwined. Im glad its not always connected that would be a major blow fest right there.

yeah, 500gig hdd and blu ray are standard, and the new kinect comes bundled with every xbox one. check out our XBOX one thread for all the latest info
http://forums.usmilitarygamers.com/showthread.php?11265-Xbox-One

[ValhallaCQC]

I would recommend watching the reveal. It goes over functions that are difficult to explain. Sorry ps4 you got spanked.

[MARDIGRA21]

I would recommend watching the reveal. It goes over functions that are difficult to explain. Sorry ps4 you got spanked.

But where are the exclusives. Early Cod dlc, halo, and forza can only get you so far.

[MaximusR3]

But where are the exclusives. Early Cod dlc, halo, and forza can only get you so far.

even though they didn't list them yet, they did tell us 15 exclusive titles (this number does not include 3rd party developers to my knowledge) will come out in the first year, 8 of which are new IPs. So they are there, we'll probably hear about most of them at E3

[ValhallaCQC]

Not to mention it does the thing with the thingy.

[Port66]

Not to mention it does the thing with the thingy.


good point

[NwG_SnakeEyes]

even though they didn't list them yet, they did tell us 15 exclusive titles (this number does not include 3rd party developers to my knowledge) will come out in the first year, 8 of which are new IPs. So they are there, we'll probably hear about most of them at E3

That is what they said in post interview that you will se a lot of the exclusives at E3

[jxspyder]

But where are the exclusives. Early Cod dlc, halo, and forza can only get you so far.

To be revealed at E3. Like Max said, they stated 15 first party exclusives are in the works, which is an all-time high for them, and more news of which is going to be breaking out at E3. It's not like they're going to blow the full wad prematurely and leave us with no news till launch.

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[GhostOverride]

To be revealed at E3. Like Max said, they stated 15 first party exclusives are in the works, which is an all-time high for them, and more news of which is going to be breaking out at E3. It's not like they're going to blow the full wad prematurely and leave us with no news till launch.

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I think something like 8 of those exclusives are brand new IPs as well so it makes sense for them to hold onto something for E3

[jxspyder]

I think something like 8 of those exclusives are brand new IPs as well so it makes sense for them to hold onto something for E3

Was just over half, yeah.

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[Ragingclue]

I guess I'm just kind of surprised both platforms are staying with HDDs only.... How long are they expecting these consoles to last before being replaced by the next gen? Load times f'n blow, and these games will have more data to load than current gen ones, no? I know it would have driven the cost of the console up a bit, but why not at least have an option for a lower capacity SSD driven option on SATA 2 (SATA 3 would be ok too)? Or a smaller SSD to use as a cache? Hopefully SSD will be offered as an option early in the life of these things.

I was under the impression that when consoles were released, they were to be well ahead of current out of the box gaming computers on all critical fronts.... Am I mistaken?

[jxspyder]

I guess I'm just kind of surprised both platforms are staying with HDDs only.... How long are they expecting these consoles to last before being replaced by the next gen? Load times f'n blow, and these games will have more data to load than current gen ones, no? I know it would have driven the cost of the console up a bit, but why not at least have an option for a lower capacity SSD driven option on SATA 2 (SATA 3 would be ok too)? Or a smaller SSD to use as a cache? Hopefully SSD will be offered as an option early in the life of these things.

I was under the impression that when consoles were released, they were to be well ahead of current out of the box gaming computers on all critical fronts.... Am I mistaken?

Current out of the box computers use hdd's, unless you pony up a significant upgrade cost, don't they?

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[iamthesgt]

Current out of the box computers use hdd's, unless you pony up a significant upgrade cost, don't they?

Yep, a lot of gamers still don't use SSDs.

[Ragingclue]

Current out of the box computers use hdd's, unless you pony up a significant upgrade cost, don't they?

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How significant are the costs though these days? SSDs have dropped in price dramatically. I haven't priced out out of the box computers in years to be honest, just thought a console gen which is expected to last quite a long time (a good deal longer than a gaming rig cycle IMO) would at least have an option for it. 500GB HDD (@7200 I'm assuming, is that what speed they're going at in these things? Maybe 10k?) versus e.g. 128GB-256GB SSD, what's the price difference there? And we're not talking the uber fast SSDs either, no need to go top tier, again IMO.

Base model with HDD, ok I can live with that. All I'm asking for is the option for an SSD upgrade. Or if they thrown in a very small SSD for caching, that also could work wonders as hybrid. I still need to look closer at the specs. But I can't stand HDDs for anything other than mass storage since making the switch to SSD.

I mean I know it sounds like I'm just bitching over load times, but playing games on the PC and then going over to the PS3, it sucks after you get used to no load time. Or navigation between members of the GUI.

[iamthesgt]

500GB 7200rpm drives are around $50-75. 10K drives are more like $150-175. Mid-level SSDs can be had for about $200-300 for 240GB. 500GB of solid state is pretty expensive-about $400-500

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[Ragingclue]

Yeah but if you're not using it as a media server, what do you need 500GB of primary storage for unless all your games are 100% DLC? I wouldn't expect the option to be a 480GB or 512GB SSD, what would you need that size of SSD for? If you can connect an external HDD via USB, or have a media server already on your PC, what's the point? If everybody is pushing cloud storage, again, another point against needing a massive hard drive.

I'd be willing to pay the difference. I'd just be shocked if that doesn't end up being an option very early on in the product's life cycle.

And what about hybrids? Middle of the road in pricing and a drastic improvement still..... I just don't get why it would be only HDD.... SSD is mature.

[iamthesgt]

Hybrids aren't too bad...$50-75 more I think. But I think you do need a good bit of storage, as all games MUST be installed on this Xbox.

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[Ragingclue]

I guess I just never have more than a few games at any time for each console I've had.... Like I used to do with my PC, only active games go on SSD, others either get uninstalled or moved to the HDD. Now that I have more SSD storage, I'm a bit lazy and keep games there that will probably never see the light of day again, but at no time have I needed more than 256GB of SSD space for OS and all games I use. Hell I could do with 128GB but I expect these games to be fatter. I know I'm not the norm, but I do know many who are "like me". I sure as hell would, in a second, pony up for an upgrade to a 256GB SSD if given the option to do so for FMV of the difference in hardware.

Maybe hybrid would be the best answer. But SSD prices will be coming down so low during the lives of this gen of consoles that it will make perfect sense at some point very soon....

How long is this gen's life cycle expected to be anyway? Another seven years?

[comanche_warior]

I read on yahoo, yes i know you cant get correct information from them, that you can play used games but you have to pay a fee and if you are going to play at a friends house you have to pay a fee too. http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/xbox-one-play-used-games-questions-linger-213743272.html I also read that you wont be able to play 360 games either http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/xbox-360-games-won-t-xbox-one-204108284.html is this because of the switch to blue ray? If this is the case it looks like microsoft may lose some customers but I have a feeling they will reveal more as the months go by. They wouldnt show their whole hand just yet since Sony hasnt revealed much about the PS4.

[iamthesgt]

I read on yahoo, yes i know you cant get correct information from them, that you can play used games but you have to pay a fee and if you are going to play at a friends house you have to pay a fee too. http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/xbox-one-play-used-games-questions-linger-213743272.html I also read that you wont be able to play 360 games either http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/xbox-360-games-won-t-xbox-one-204108284.html is this because of the switch to blue ray? If this is the case it looks like microsoft may lose some customers but I have a feeling they will reveal more as the months go by. They wouldnt show their whole hand just yet since Sony hasnt revealed much about the PS4.

Yeah the pricing model for used games is still not very clear, but there will be fees involved. The switch to blu-ray is not the reason (blu-ray drives can still read regular DVDs, etc), but rather the change in processor architecture, from PowerPC to x86. They require two different function sets and are completely incompatible.

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[GhostOverride]

Yeah the pricing model for used games is still not very clear, but there will be fees involved. The switch to blu-ray is not the reason (blu-ray drives can still read regular DVDs, etc), but rather the change in processor architecture, from PowerPC to x86. They require two different function sets and are completely incompatible.

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Yeah I think we all saw the writing on the wall about the backwards compatibility when the rumors were flying about the change ein architecture on both the Xbox One and PS4