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Brian
10-02-2013, 14:21
Oct 02, 2013
Stars and Stripes | by Chris Carroll
WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon and the White House are weighing whether a new law that ensures military members as well as some Defense Department civilians keep getting paid during the government shutdown could be used to bring furloughed civilians back to work.

Federal legislators who passed the law, meanwhile, say the Pentagon has the authority now to end the DOD civilian furloughs.

On Tuesday, as hundreds of thousands of DOD employees went on furlough, Pentagon lawyers sent a legal brief to the White House Office of Management and Budget that a defense official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said had "recommended maximum flexibility" in interpreting the "Pay Our Military Act."

The act, signed into law late Monday, authorizes paychecks for military members as well as DOD civilians who Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel determines "are providing support to members of the Armed Forces."

The questions of how broadly "providing support" could be interpreted and how many of an estimated 400,000 furloughed civilians might return to work were being ironed out Wednesday as executive branch attorneys mulled the legal requirements of a government shutdown brought on by a deadlocked Congress' inability to pass by midnight Monday a measure to fund federal operations.

In a letter sent Tuesday to Hagel, Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services committee, told Hagel that DOD civilians who are currently sitting at home are actually authorized to work by the new law.

"I believe the legislation provides you broad latitude and I encourage you to use it," McKeon wrote. "The text does not limit the provision of pay to civilians who were previously categorized by the Administration as "excepted" or "essential" … Therefore, I strongly encourage you to use the authority Congress has given you to keep national security running, rather than keeping defense civilians at home when they are authorized to work."

In another letter sent Monday to Hagel, Rep. Michael R. Turner, R-Ohio, said all furloughed employees at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in his district provide support for the military, as specified in the new law, and thus should be allowed to work.

"The law is clear and provides the department as well as the United States Coast Guard with authority to immediately call its civilian employees back to work," Turner wrote. The Coast Guard falls under the Department of Homeland Security.

Earlier Tuesday, Hagel said the Pentagon was looking for ways to reduce the number of furloughed civilians.

"Our lawyers are now looking through the law that the president signed … to see if there's any margin here, or widening in the interpretation of the law of exempt versus non-exempt civilians," he said. "But it's a priority that we have, that we're working on right now. It's, in fact, the priority in our general counsel's office."

http://www.stripes.com/news/white-house-dod-looking-at-using-military-pay-law-to-end-furloughs-1.244646


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jgreco138
10-02-2013, 15:04
I'm not going back to work until I know DFAS is back at work.

RogueScot
10-02-2013, 15:29
A buddy of mine, actually a member here who is never on, works at Tinker AFB as a civilian. They are still working. They were told they had a 7-10 day cushion of money to continue to build aircraft engines. Perhaps this means he won't be furloughed at all.

Brian
10-02-2013, 15:29
DFAS supports the troops so they can use that argument.


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jgreco138
10-02-2013, 15:43
DFAS supports the troops so they can use that argument.


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Last thing I heard, which was yesterday when I signed my furlough document, not only our payroll personnel were furloughed but also DFAS. They also canceled my drill this weekend because there won't be anyone to pay us, so I don't know. I'm just waiting to see what happens I guess.

River_Rat_459
10-03-2013, 07:41
Last thing I heard, which was yesterday when I signed my furlough document, not only our payroll personnel were furloughed but also DFAS. They also canceled my drill this weekend because there won't be anyone to pay us, so I don't know. I'm just waiting to see what happens I guess.

My old reserve unit also told their Soldiers that their drills were cancelled this weekend. The bad thing is that they still get charged for SGLI regardless.

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BilgeRatBilly
10-03-2013, 08:59
I'm a dual status technician, meaning I'm a DoD Civilian during the week doing the same thing I do on drill weekends. I got furloughed and our drill has been canceled. I'd like to know how there are civilians or there "excepted" before actual military members who are required to wear their uniform every day are. I illegally stayed longer than 4 hours on Tuesday because someone had to authorize a medical evacuation mission and if I didn't do it they couldn't have gone. But was then told I need to leave. How is that not directly supporting the military? Stupid...

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Rickety Rob
10-03-2013, 09:31
I hope so.

I need the commissary to re-open.

I NEED FOOD.

Yes i know i can go to the local grocery store but I want food at a cheap price

BilgeRatBilly
10-03-2013, 10:05
I hope so.

I need the commissary to re-open.

I NEED FOOD.

Yes i know i can go to the local grocery store but I want food at a cheap price

I'd like to get paid so I can buy groceries, lol ;)

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iamthesgt
10-03-2013, 10:20
I hope so.

I need the commissary to re-open.

I NEED FOOD.

Yes i know i can go to the local grocery store but I want food at a cheap price

Wal-Mart is pretty cheap. Sam's is even cheaper. Commissary's big price advantage is meat, dairy, and sometimes produce. But Sam's has cheaper milk. You can find cheap stuff elsewhere.

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Rickety Rob
10-03-2013, 11:34
Commissary's big price advantage is meat, dairy, and sometimes produce. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2


DING DING DING DING!

2.11 a lb for chicken where as everywhere else is damn near 4 or more per lb.

I literally live off chicken.

Being the only type of meat/poultry i eat

BilgeRatBilly
10-03-2013, 11:41
DING DING DING DING!

2.11 a lb for chicken where as everywhere else is damn near 4 or more per lb.

I literally live off chicken.

Being the only type of meat/poultry i eat

I absolutely love the fact that you have the price per pound of your favorite meat memorized... That brought some joy to my day, lol :D

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Rickety Rob
10-03-2013, 11:50
I absolutely love the fact that you have the price per pound of your favorite meat memorized... That brought some joy to my day, lol :D

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That's cause it's the only type of meat i enjoy eating the most.

I'd get steaks but I don't want to pay an arm and a leg to do so

BilgeRatBilly
10-03-2013, 13:43
I think I'd give up living if it weren't for pigs and cows, lol.

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jxspyder
10-03-2013, 13:43
I always knew Rob was a big fan of sucking down meat.

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jgreco138
10-03-2013, 15:16
I'm a dual status technician, meaning I'm a DoD Civilian during the week doing the same thing I do on drill weekends. I got furloughed and our drill has been canceled. I'd like to know how there are civilians or there "excepted" before actual military members who are required to wear their uniform every day are. I illegally stayed longer than 4 hours on Tuesday because someone had to authorize a medical evacuation mission and if I didn't do it they couldn't have gone. But was then told I need to leave. How is that not directly supporting the military? Stupid...

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We were told that they were authorized to pay us for the 4 hours we spent at work. The only problem is payroll went home too.

BilgeRatBilly
10-03-2013, 16:27
We were told that they were authorized to pay us for the 4 hours we spent at work. The only problem is payroll went home too.

We were told that they would back pay us for the 4 hours, but we were only going to get paid for 48 hrs in the pay period.

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jgreco138
10-03-2013, 16:30
We were told that they would back pay us for the 4 hours, but we were only going to get paid for 48 hrs in the pay period.

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We'll end up getting comp time I bet.

BULLETMAN
10-04-2013, 00:02
Has anyone heard how far down this will trickle, meaning will it come down to the USDA? I know it is a bit different then the departments yall work for but we still get paid from the same place so I was wondering if it will be involved at all......

BigFreeze99
10-04-2013, 00:06
Wal-Mart is pretty cheap. Sam's is even cheaper. Commissary's big price advantage is meat, dairy, and sometimes produce. But Sam's has cheaper milk. You can find cheap stuff elsewhere.

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Sam, you are so generous to invite us to your house to eat.