Chief: 64 cops + 137 shots = law broken

[Brian]

(CNN) - More than 60 officers will be disciplined over a police chase last year that left two people dead in a hail of 137 bullets, Cleveland police said Tuesday.

Cleveland Police Chief Michael McGrath said 64 officers were found guilty of "administrative charges ranging from excessive speed to insubordination," in connection with their role in the 2012 police chase.

The announcement after the discipline hearings doesn't involve a pending review of possible criminal charges in the deadly incident, CNN affiliate WOIO reported.

Two months ago, McGrath had said 74 of 277 officers on duty the night of the chase could face disciplinary action.

The incident began on November 29 when officers saw a car speeding and heard what they thought was a gunshot, according to the affiliate. Police pursued the vehicle, and the driver, Timothy Russell, refused to stop, authorities told the station.

Though officers reported seeing a gun in the car, no weapon was ever found, the affiliate reported.

The 23-minute chase took officers to East Cleveland, where 13 of them fired 137 shots, killing Russell, 43, and his passenger, Malissa Williams, 30, CNN affiliate WJW reported.

"It was really a tragic pursuit," McGrath said in August. "When those officers started their tour of duty that evening, they started it with good intentions."


http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/justice/cleveland-police-shooting/index.html


So do you guys feel this was excessive force, a political move, or is it justified?


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[GhostOverride]

Only 137 shots fired? What is this the O.K. Coral


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[jxspyder]

Excessive use of justified force.

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[BigFreeze99]

Great Fire discipline. Bang! Bang! Bang! stop or I'll shoot 134 more times!

[Brian]

I wonder if one of them actually reloaded and kept firing.


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[comanche_warior]

I wonder if one of them actually reloaded and kept firing.


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If it was 13 officers that shot it would be about 10.54 rounds per officer. Lets say that they were using 15 round mags, thats way too many trigger pulls for 2 people.

[BigFreeze99]

If it was 13 officers that shot it would be about 10.54 rounds per officer. Lets say that they were using 15 round mags, thats way too many trigger pulls for 2 people.

Great math problem... but how can you fire .54 rounds? lol
Also if you break it down 137 rounds fired in a 23 minute chase that is 5.956521739130435 rounds per minute. Then if you divide that by the 13 officers... they really didn't fire a whole round... It must have been a suicide scene...lol

[Ragingclue]

Why didn't the dumb shit stop the damn car?

That's a lot of rounds.

[iCharlieF0xtr0t]

Poor Police Training on the department, I don't think the Officers should be disciplined if 64 of them are in some sort of trouble it seems to be that the department in the larger picture is not equipping their officers correctly. Poor training, lack of judgement, unable to react to intense situations, every one person reacts to a situation differently that is true but when you have over a dozen officers using deadly force and 50 officer's involved being disciplined for wrong doing the blame shouldn't be on the individual but the unit.

[Brian]

Poor Police Training on the department, I don't think the Officers should be disciplined if 64 of them are in some sort of trouble it seems to be that the department in the larger picture is not equipping their officers correctly. Poor training, lack of judgement, unable to react to intense situations, every one person reacts to a situation differently that is true but when you have over a dozen officers using deadly force and 50 officer's involved being disciplined for wrong doing the blame shouldn't be on the individual but the unit.

Agreed but that blame should fall on the Chief since he is overall responsible for the department and training. So in a political move the man without the foresight to prevent the incident is blaming his subordinates to save his own ass.


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