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Brian
11-04-2013, 11:06
By Matthew M. Burke
Stars and Stripes
Published: November 4, 2013

SASEBO NAVAL BASE, Japan — The Marine Corps has added a host of restrictions to its tuition assistance program, limiting the number of Marines eligible for subsidized college courses.
Applicants will no longer be considered for tuition assistance funds if they are in their first two years of service, are ineligible for promotion or if they have yet to complete certain military training courses, according to Marine officials.
In addition, changes have been made to the way funds are managed.
The changes were released in a servicewide message in September and were slated to go into effect Oct. 1, but the entire tuition assistance program was shuttered until Oct. 21 because of the government shutdown.
The Corps has found itself in an increasingly precarious budgetary position over the past few years. Between fiscal 2009 and 2013, tuition assistance was slashed by $19 million. Over the same period, the number of Marines participating climbed by 2,232.
“These eligibility changes may impact TA spending, but were not implemented solely as a budget reduction technique,” Marine and Family Programs Division spokesman Shawn Conlon wrote in a statement to Stars and Stripes.
Tuition assistance funding could drop again this year due to uncertainties such as the looming budget battle in Washington and sequestration.
“The reality is we have less money for [tuition assistance],” Craig Lockwood, lead education specialist at Marine Corps Base Hawaii-Kaneohe Bay’s education center, said in a Marine Corps statement. “There are more restrictions. If you are eligible, it’s not going to be necessarily harder, but there are a lot more Marines now that are not eligible to use TA.”
Another restriction taking effect is first-time applicants are being limited to one course, unless the servicemember has an associate’s degree or 60 academic credits and a minimum grade point average of 2.5, according to a copy of the instruction. Funds will not be approved for new courses prior to the completion of old ones nor for courses that count toward duplicate degrees, such as a second associate’s degree or a double major.
Requests for funds can now be submitted only within 30 days of the start date of a class. Under prior rules it was within 60 days, Marine officials said.
The Corps has also made changes to the way funds are managed, officials said. Now, the tuition assistance budget will be divided up into fiscal quarters. Once the quarterly funds are gone, approvals will be deferred to the next quarter.
Lockwood said every branch of service is dealing with a similar budgetary situation. However, none of the other three branches of service has yet made such drastic changes.
Air Force officials have made some changes to tuition assistance policy in recent months, such as tying approval to physical fitness and behavioral standards. They have also given supervisors veto power over a request for funds if they believe certain factors will impede the applying airman from completing a given course.
Army officials said their tuition assistance policy is currently under review by Army leadership.
“We recognize that the Army’s tuition assistance program offers an important benefit to soldiers by providing financial aid to help them achieve academic goals,” Army spokeswoman Lt. Col. Alayne Conway wrote in an email to Stars and Stripes. “As we review the program, we are committed to providing assistance to the greatest extent possible, while taking into account current and future fiscal constraints.”
Navy officials said sailors can help optimize the shrinking funds by taking advantage of other programs that help advance their academic careers.
“These include working with Navy College Program education counselors to develop individual education plans that exploit prior learning through experiential credit such as American Council on Education, and credit-by-examination programs such as College-Level Examination Program and DANTES Subject Standardized Tests,” said Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Chris Servello. “A renewed effort by all sailors can dramatically lower Navy’s overall TA costs, while greatly accelerating their own personal degree completion.”
Marine officials said those who do not qualify for tuition assistance have other options. Marines are encouraged to visit their school’s financial aid office and apply for a Free Application for Federal Student Aid, school scholarships or the College Level Examination Program.
“Just because you don’t have TA doesn’t mean there isn’t still funding out there,” Lockwood said. “Obviously TA is best-case scenario, but there are other options beyond it.”
More information about the Marine Corps policy.

burke.matt@stripes.com

http://www.stripes.com/news/new-restrictions-placed-on-marines-tuition-assistance-program-1.250947




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Ragingclue
11-04-2013, 11:58
Well I can't agree with the first point; it should be based on time out of MOS school. Look at the time in the fleet a grunt will have at two years versus a guy like me who had an entire year+ in boot camp plus schooling.... One year in fleet would be plenty IMO. I don't know what the specific restrictions are as to the "certain military training courses" having to be complete yet, but I'd agree if it was that NCOs had to complete the NCO MCI's, etc.... But that would also be covered in the "ineligible for promotion category"....

Increasing the required time in advance is complete and utter bullshit, considering a lot of guys move around a lot and get things thrown on them in short notice. And anyone who has been in who has had to submit paperwork like this before knows what I'm talking about when I say: LCpl Schmuckatelli will submit his request to NCO Sgt LazyAss. LazyAss then takes two days to two weeks to get around to claiming he reviewed it, when he then passes it to SSgt Dumbass. Dumbass then says "it's formatted incorrectly, have it redone" after X number of days. It takes Y number of days to get back to Schmuckatelli, where he promptly corrects and resubmits it, because this is important to him. Then the process starts all over again but this time it will get to the next level before it's kicked back for any number of reasons and will undoubtedly see a delay at each step down the chain it needs to take. I'm talking about reasons that aren't even justified, like not liking the typeface used or the handwriting even if it's legible, etc... So in the end Schmuckatelli misses his deadline and must sign up instead for the next semester, when he'll be slated for deployment, so now he can't sign up at all. Don't fuck over the Jr Enlisted with the change in notice required. I really hate that restriction. Some places don't even know exactly which classes they will cover until close to the semester start date. I wonder how waiverable this restriction is. I wonder also if this has made it into an automated system which would obsolete everything I just said. That would be nice.

We need to not forget that one of the huge things that made this country such a world power (outside the military aspect alone) was after WWII when we offered such great educational benefits to those who served....

KaNtSt0PMeH
11-04-2013, 13:42
I do not understand why they constantly are making it more and more impossible for our service members to get TA. "We will never take TA away again..." but you'll make it fucking impossible to use it.

I had to wait a week for my supervisor to approve my TA because he was TDY and I didn't know they had the new policy out that required that. I almost had to cancel my class and it would have cancelled my FAFSA which I definitely need. So it would have cost me a hefty penny had I not pleaded with my supervisor to come in on his day off to approve it... which should never be the case. Why do I have to seek approval to better myself? So stupid.

comanche_warior
11-04-2013, 15:07
*sigh* I just dont understand why they have to keep screwing with it, honestly y'all should be getting it before anybody else does. To me this sounds like the new gun laws they are making it hard as hell to get what you need.

Brian
11-05-2013, 11:56
Yup just more bureaucratic BS put on the service member.


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UH1FE
11-09-2013, 06:38
The Air Force instituted a lot of these same rules. If you have a good supervisor like I do it's no issue. But if you have a bad one I could see this sucking real quick. One of the new rules is that if you fail the AF physical fitness test you cant use TA. We are the damn Air Force we only need to run 50 feet to the bunker on our bases not a mile and a half.

iamthesgt
11-11-2013, 16:22
The Air Force instituted a lot of these same rules. If you have a good supervisor like I do it's no issue. But if you have a bad one I could see this sucking real quick. One of the new rules is that if you fail the AF physical fitness test you cant use TA. We are the damn Air Force we only need to run 50 feet to the bunker on our bases not a mile and a half.

Yeah but at least with the mile and a half, I can outrun the guys who can run a 4.7 40, but take 12 minutes to finish the PT run. Makes me feel better

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Brian
11-13-2013, 22:04
Yeah but at least with the mile and a half, I can outrun the guys who can run a 4.7 40, but take 12 minutes to finish the PT run. Makes me feel better

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How long is the PT run. Our guys that run 12's are super fast.


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iamthesgt
11-13-2013, 22:27
How long is the PT run. Our guys that run 12's are super fast.

1.5 miles. So not fast. Fast guys do it under 9.

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Brian
11-14-2013, 18:47
1.5 miles. So not fast. Fast guys do it under 9.

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Oh ok ours is 2 so that puts your 9's and my 12's in the same freakishly fast group


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iamthesgt
11-21-2013, 10:53
Oh ok ours is 2 so that puts your 9's and my 12's in the same freakishly fast group


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Roughly. A sub 12 2 is more impressive than a sub 9 1.5, but a sub 9 (~845) 1.5 equates to about a 1215-1230 2.

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