Air Force draw down [Archive] - US Military Gamers

UH1FE

12-21-2013, 09:49

Is anyone getting caught up in this crap? I am not eligible for any of the volutary programs thankfully. Below is the official AF link on which grades and AFSC's are affected.

https://gum-crm.csd.disa.mil/ci/fattach/get/3071950/1387576323/redirect/1/filename/Enlisted%20Voluntary%20Program%20Eligibility%20Chart%20-%2020%20Dec%2013.pdf

Edit: Voluntary seperation pay for my rank and years in $13,000 involuntary is $59,000. Unless you have a sure thing on the outside why would anyone volunteer?

KaNtSt0PMeH

12-21-2013, 10:10

This is some good info. I heard MYPERS has all the current stuff. If I was non-voled I think I would be okay on the outside... plus the 60k would help me get established until I got setup. No way in hell would I walk out for 13k. The only people I see taking that option are those already facing issues.

iamthesgt

12-21-2013, 14:53

That's what they told us at Commander's call on Thursday. The people at risk are those with issues in their records.

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UH1FE

12-21-2013, 15:03

I don't have any issues but I am still worried. But 60K plus GI bill would allow me enough time to finish school and find a descent job. The 60K was based on E-6 with 14yrs in. If I can make it through this year at least I can get one of those 15 year retirements! So its all a wait and see......

KaNtSt0PMeH

12-21-2013, 15:16

I am only at 6 years as an E-5 so I have no idea what will happen.... just know a lot of people are gonna be pissed.

TheBrightSide

12-22-2013, 11:14

25,000 Airmen is roughly one out of every 13 Air Force wide. Not every shop/office is going to share the burden equally though. Judging by that list you're going to see entire jobs and a lot of E-4s getting the axe. It's going to be depressing and scary for a lot of people, but between these separation packages, GI Bill, and what appears to be a recovering economy, it could be worse.

THISGUYII2

12-22-2013, 16:48

I saw a lot of this kind of stuff first hand when the Navy did it. A lot of good guys got screwed out of their careers but it did get some of the fuck ups. The biggest lesson we learned was that this should not have been a "Big Navy" decision. It should've been up to the commands that knew the eligible individuals, not someone who doesn't know them and is only looking at their service record. I hope the AF does a better job than the Navy did. Good luck to all of you that are eligible.

THISGUYII2

12-22-2013, 16:51

Also, like it was previously mentioned, you shouldn't volunteer unless your voluntary sep pay is more than your eligible involuntary sep pay

MikaelTyson

12-22-2013, 21:48

My asshole burns from the fisting I am getting. Oh well.

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Rickety Rob

12-23-2013, 06:31

My asshole burns from the fisting I am getting. Oh well.

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I'm glad you're being honest lol

ssandersjr

12-23-2013, 18:43

My asshole burns from the fisting I am getting. Oh well.

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As jack, he will give you proper instruction.

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Stonezulla

12-23-2013, 21:56

Looks like I need to make Tech this year....

UH1FE

12-25-2013, 08:45

Found out some new info. The separation pay for volunteers is the same as the non-vol plus 25% for volunteering. I still wouldn't volunteer for this crap! Also if you want to see the manning in your career field go to the below link. You have to be on a government computer. For my AFSC chiefs are at 92% manned yet they are on the list to get rid of some. Looking at the numbers and afsc's on the list it looks like if your grade and afsc are over 85% they will get rid of some.

HTTPS://www.thrmis.hq.af.mil

Once there click reports then A1 COP reports.

EDIT: If your not going to be near a gov computer soon send me your AFSC and I will get you the manning level for all grades in that AFSC. I have a gov laptop at home I can get on.

KaNtSt0PMeH

12-25-2013, 10:29

Hey Jamie can you look up a 2W1X1 for E-5... fairly certain we are over manned quite a bit.

UH1FE

12-25-2013, 12:55

Ssgt is 100% manned tsgt is 115% msgt is 121% sra is 78% and overall you are at 100%. In all of 2W1 you only have 1 CMSGT. In your career field by skill level 5 level is 89% 7 level is 118% and 9 level is 96%. On a side note I used to be ammo......before I cross trained to Flight Engineer.

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KaNtSt0PMeH

12-25-2013, 13:35

Aahhh that's right. Well I appreciate the info I thought Staff would be higher to be honest.

CrzyChinook

12-25-2013, 17:17

any one want some help with A&P jobs... give me a hollar i can give you some advice and help... in preparation for your separation... lots of good info i can give..plus i know my company is hiring!! 14 days off 14 days on... in the gulf and Alaska..great pay great benifits

KaNtSt0PMeH

12-25-2013, 18:39

Would I need my A&P license Craig? I am a maintainer already but not a crew chief. I'm sure getting my A&P license wouldn't be too difficult here at Sheppard.

CrzyChinook

12-25-2013, 18:53

Would I need my A&P license Craig? I am a maintainer already but not a crew chief. I'm sure getting my A&P license wouldn't be too difficult here at Sheppard.
Jerad......

GET IT!!!

your Airframe and Powerplant license is a must .... like a IT guru with his MSCS, A+, C+,N+, Sec + certs.. more the merry but it gets you past the door for a interview!!.. but even more for us wrench turners... it gets us in the door!! and a pay bump in most places.. its your life blood as a civie!.. once you take it its good for life!! and Active duty still covered it in Tuition assistance for a time.. i got mine paid by US ARMY.. BEFORE I GOT OUT!!!

most of the helo gulf coast operators dont care what you worked on as long as you have your A&P..and if you have years under your belt.. they will pay accordingly to how seasoned a mechanic you are..plus they will train you on the airframes you work..in house or factory..
there is always government contracting but I WARN YOU..lots of LAYOFFS... STAY AWAY...lol top dollar mean your more expendable.. its better to stay away from that..

KaNtSt0PMeH

12-25-2013, 20:08

Do you know how long it takes to get an A&P? I have heard its not too difficult.

CrzyChinook

12-25-2013, 20:27

Do you know how long it takes to get an A&P? I have heard its not too difficult.

depends.. its a 18 month collage course at most collages that offer it.. unless you pre-qualify to get your FAA Tickets signed..by the local FSDO.. but that is all determined by your Job Skill and Code... if you get your tickets you can take a fast track course that is anywhere from 7-14 days.. but then if you get your tickets signed you can go and find a DME to give you your oral and practicals.. and then just do your three written at a local FAA testing facility ... but i would only advise this last one if you know a reputable DME.. lots of people have gotten their license pulled cause a DME was found taking money for license without proper testing..in turn they give you 90days to get your test done else where or pull your licences.. serious shit!

i did the second choice.. went to Georgia Aviation Technical College.. and that test isnt hard.. but it anit easy.. its alot of knowledge you have to know.. not only fixed wing and rotary but old school dope and rope plus NDI and basic sheet metal.. the general written test is like 60 questions.. out of a possible 1,000 ..crazy but there is a special way to study for the test.. after i got mine .. i came back and told my commander that all the NCO's needed to go do it.. its a wealth of knowledge and my head hurt for weeks after i passed and got mine.. but its been better to have in the long run..

UH1FE

12-25-2013, 20:38

Are you told what the questions are? On the aircrew side we are given a closed book but we know the possible questions. Same deal huge bank and they select a few.

CrzyChinook

12-25-2013, 21:01

Are you told what the questions are? On the aircrew side we are given a closed book but we know the possible questions. Same deal huge bank and they select a few.

the written test (3 each) are all closed and electronic.. but you get the Courseware books and they have all the possible questions.. like i said you study over 1,000 questions to take you general written test which was 60-80 questions.. the Airframe written test is smaller around 500 possible and the test is like 40-50 questions.. and the Powerplant is the same as the Airframe written..

KaNtSt0PMeH

12-25-2013, 22:11

CrzyChinook

12-25-2013, 22:25

So Embry Riddle would probably have to be my choice. Is it like a full-time school schedule or just one class? Honestly my only choice at the moment would be Saturdays as I work nights and I'm already working for my Bachelor's.

not sure if ER has a A&P course.. i doubt it ...but you can ask maybe they do now..i know the 18 month one is a full time schedule..but things change check it out with Embry.. Jamie was talking about the one in Daleville or ozark..as we like to call at ft. rucker.. redneck tech is a full a&p school

http://www.escc.edu/

here is a good resource tool...

http://www.airframeandpowerplant.com/

UH1FE

12-28-2013, 12:12

Looked up escc in Alabama and if you have an associate degree the A and P specific stuff should only take 15 months to complete. Their program has the FAA testing built into the program.

CrzyChinook

12-28-2013, 14:01

Looked up escc in Alabama and if you have an associate degree the A and P specific stuff should only take 15 months to complete. Their program has the FAA testing built into the program.

yeah thats more for people who cannot get their tickets signed by the FAA.. the course i took is no longer available at GATC (Georiga Aviation Technical College).. but i think NCI ( https://nci.edu/) up in Clarksville Tn. i think its a 14-18 day course.. i know they have these type of course all over just gotta look for them but only for pre quailyied mech that have their Tickets signed

**edit*** i found the brochure for it its 9 day course

https://nci.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AMT65.pdf

UH1FE

02-03-2014, 19:10

http://m.weartv.com/news/Air_Force_to_cut_22,000_before_end_of_year?mobileredirect=true

UH1FE

02-03-2014, 19:11

That was a news article from down here in FL. Doesnt look good.

CrzyChinook

02-03-2014, 19:14

That was a news article from down here in FL. Doesnt look good.

wow good thing your preparing for the worst then they cant surprise you!

UH1FE

02-03-2014, 19:17

5000 are coming out of security forces alone (cops). I should be safe but who knows. I am planning for the worst and hoping for the best.

ssandersjr

02-03-2014, 19:20

That was a news article from down here in FL. Doesnt look good.

Yeah, I saw that tonight on WEAR. 20something thousand in 2014 alone. Huge cuts.

GhostOverride

02-03-2014, 19:40

Yeah, I saw that tonight on WEAR. 20something thousand in 2014 alone. Huge cuts.

Pretty much if you were safe this year, you won't be next year. I might be getting out at the end of this enlistment now

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KaNtSt0PMeH

02-03-2014, 22:21

Yeah I have the matrix breakdown by AFSC at work. 168 E-5s out of 1138 for my career field are getting the boot.

BilgeRatBilly

02-04-2014, 23:19

Yeah I have the matrix breakdown by AFSC at work. 168 E-5s out of 1138 for my career field are getting the boot.

If you're good enough at your job to teach the new kids coming in I'm sure you'll be alright Jared. I wouldn't worry too much bro.

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KaNtSt0PMeH

02-04-2014, 23:30

If you're good enough at your job to teach the new kids coming in I'm sure you'll be alright Jared. I wouldn't worry too much bro.

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I feel okay, nothing but firewall 5s, DECs and awards and I'm not a Blue Falcon so I should be alright but.... I am 'Eligible' Lol...

BilgeRatBilly

02-04-2014, 23:32

I feel okay, nothing but firewall 5s, DECs and awards and I'm not a Blue Falcon so I should be alright but.... I am 'Eligible' Lol...

Yeah there's plenty of dirtbags they can get rid of, I doubt they're going to dropkick those they think highly enough of to lead the next generation into the ranks.

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UH1FE

02-06-2014, 17:46

I heard a RUMOR that 50K applies to leave. I wondered if this was true then what does it say about the state of the AF?

KaNtSt0PMeH

02-06-2014, 18:57

I have heard from a few sources that it's closer to 65k.... its a sad day regardless.

GhostOverride

02-06-2014, 18:58

I heard a RUMOR that 50K applies to leave. I wondered if this was true then what does it say about the state of the AF?

That's the first I've heard of that. Where did you hear that number, I'm just curious

UH1FE

02-06-2014, 19:10

A friend with access to mpf database.......

GhostOverride

02-06-2014, 19:16

A friend with access to mpf database.......

lol ahh insider information, hmmmm....I mean it is possible, but I don't know if I would put too much stock into that number. Also remember that some people may be heading for the door anyway so they figure why not, or their career field may be overmanned, some are just so close to retirement that they may not have any choice. Its not always because they want to leave or that the service is having a hard time keeping people. Remember, we didn't make the decision to cut 25K people at our level, its the forces that be that made that choice for us

KaNtSt0PMeH

02-06-2014, 19:22

Exactly. This stratification bullshit though is garbage. I have nothing but positives and the guy was like... your TIG may hurt you. I have no fucking control over TIG. If I make rank I make rank, shouldn't matter how long I have had it on. This shit is frustrating for good people who want to stay in and a copout for those wanting/needing separation.

UH1FE

02-06-2014, 19:25

I take it lightly buuuuut.......if it is true damn. The nuke officers are only the tip of the iceberg.

GhostOverride

02-06-2014, 19:36

KaNtSt0PMeH

03-05-2014, 12:30

Was told today that the force reshaping is on 'hold' and likely canx'ed. Apparently when they planned this years budget it was the sequestration's budget and not the actual budget we had... So of course everyone's lives were impacted with life changing decisions because someone didn't do their homework. What the flying fuck is wrong with our leadership. Either way I am glad for those who were on the chopping block even though some deserved it not everyone did and I knew we would lose a ton of experience and good people. Plus there's Russia.... Methinks Obama and Congress may have not clearly thought about this drawdown through and through. Lol

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Stonezulla

03-05-2014, 13:02

My leadership is unaware of this. They won't do anything until it's official. Case in point, I have to fill out a form for my airmen with three bullets so leadership can sort out who is the best or worst in the squadron. Three bullets isn't shit. They have opinions on every single one of us and no amount of bullets will change that.

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KaNtSt0PMeH

03-05-2014, 13:10

We compressed a bunch of bullets into those 3 lines. We were listed about to be stratified but for example

Airman of the Quarter; Airman of the year etc. And so on. With acronyms a plenty. I'll keep you posted on what I hear but usually AETC gets the info fairly quickly so it may not have disseminated yet.

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GhostOverride

03-05-2014, 20:29

Well I get to work tonight and I'm told that I need to come up with a memo to brief the higher ups justifying my shops existence.....great, here we go

RogueScot

03-05-2014, 21:55

GhostOverride

03-06-2014, 07:41

There's nothing like having to justify your existence. As a marketing and advertising professional, I've gone through this several times when the economy has gone bad. And, when you try to tell them that this is not the time to cut marketing and advertising budgets, but to expand them and grow market share because everyone one else is cutting back it only sounds like you are trying to save your job. Oh, I lost my job each time, by the way. :) Hopefully you guys will have better luck. I'm pulling for you.

I appreciate it, but it seems like they already have their minds made up, at least to an extent. I was given roughly 24hr notice....that tells me that they don't want the strongest case and merely something to give us the warm fuzzy feeling that we contributed before they made their decision. Time will tell I guess

NwG_SnakeEyes

03-06-2014, 09:51

I appreciate it, but it seems like they already have their minds made up, at least to an extent. I was given roughly 24hr notice....that tells me that they don't want the strongest case and merely something to give us the warm fuzzy feeling that we contributed before they made their decision. Time will tell I guess

Hope it all works out. Best of luck broski.

UH1FE

03-07-2014, 08:07

I heard through a confidential informant that 70k volunteered to leave and the top brass shit themselves and slammed on the brakes.

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GhostOverride

03-07-2014, 08:43

I heard through a confidential informant that 70k volunteered to leave and the top brass shit themselves and slammed on the brakes.

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From what I heard everything is on hold for the next two weeks

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UH1FE

03-07-2014, 08:47

Yea I was informed that they are trying to figure out what to do. Most of the 70k were people they wanted to keep. You know the educated that don't really need the AF the AF needs them. They are on the verge of losing all the good experienced people.

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BigFreeze99

03-07-2014, 09:27

GhostOverride

03-07-2014, 15:55

Geez, I hate posting in an Air Farce thread, but my advice (no matter the rumor or innuendo) is to keep a low profile and be flexible.
In the Marine Corps (during situations like this) we would just say. "Stay off the Fucking Skyline!"
Please don't choke on your tea now...lol

Semper-Gumby

Mike

Yeah we say just stay below their radar, I'm one if those edumacated types so at least I have something to fall back on, but this is all just the beginning of what's to come

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KaNtSt0PMeH

03-07-2014, 18:43

Yup I'll have my Bachelors by this time next year and I'll start on my second soon there after. I will have something to fall back on and if they want to try and bullshit us again I'll happily chuck some deuces. The only reason I didn't apply was because of my little one on the way. Wouldn't be able to afford the health care etc.

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GhostOverride

03-07-2014, 19:58

I'm seriously considering moving over to the reserves after this enlistment...if I can make it another year and a half lol

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BilgeRatBilly

03-08-2014, 10:30

I'm seriously considering moving over to the reserves after this enlistment...if I can make it another year and a half lol

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Guard and Reserves is where it's at :D... Just keep in mind a lot of people are thinking that right now. I'm in a guard unit on an active duty base and people are beating the doors down trying to get in.

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