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Wafflebadger
01-25-2014, 23:01
Not sure if you guys saw this news clip.


WASHINGTON (CBS Atlanta) – A marine who lost both of his legs while serving in Afghanistan was “humiliated” while boarding a Delta Airlines flight, as he was clumsily pushed to the back of the plane in a wheelchair, knocking into row after row of seated passengers.
Tears streamed down the face of Marine Lance Cpl. Christian Brown last Sunday when the war hero with prosthetic legs bumped into multiple passengers despite the best rebuffed efforts from several veterans on board to move Brown to first class.
The Washington Post reports that Delta flight attendants cited that because the doors had closed for takeoff, they were unable to move the wheelchair-bound Brown to first class.
Seeing the whole event unfold, retired Army Col. Nickey Knighton wrote a “customer care” report to the airline detailing the treatment of Brown, who was sitting in her same row toward the back of the plane.
“[He] was obviously humiliated by being paraded through the aircraft and was visibly upset,” Knighton wrote in her complaint to Delta, which was obtained by “She The People.” “I touched Brown on his shoulders and asked if he was okay. Tears ran down his face, but he did not cry out loud.”
In Dec. of 2011, Brown, who was on foot patrol in the Helmand province of Afghanistan, lost both his legs after stepping on an explosive device.
Last weekend, Brown, 29, was running a high fever upon returning from a hunting trip in Alabama for other injured service members from the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, where Brown has spent almost a year since his injuries.
“I just can’t imagine what it was like for him, being that sick,” Brown’s mother told the Post. “He had a 104-degree fever and he was shaking. He was quite obviously sick.”
Retired Army Lt. Col. Keith Gafford, who was also on the flight, told the Post that two first-class passengers offered to switch seats with Brown before takeoff. This request, Gafford said, was rejected by the flight attendant. Gafford described the crew as being as “hard as woodpecker lips.”
“I have been flying with Delta for a gazillion years and this crew treated Chris worse than you’d treat any thing, not even any body,” Gafford told the Post. “I did 27 years in the military. I have seen a lot of things and have seen a lot of guys die, but I have never seen a Marine cry. What the kid said was, ‘I have given everything that I can give and this is the way I am being treated? This is how I will be treated for the rest of my life?’”
Delta representatives have said that they are looking into the incident.
“The story in no way reflects either Delta’s standard operating procedure or the very high regard we hold for our nation’s service members,” Michael R. Thomas of Delta’s corporate communications office told the Post. “We are sorry for the difficulties that transpired and are investigating this event to determine the appropriate next steps.”
In responding to whether he would ever fly Delta again, Brown kept it short and sweet to the Post: “Hell, no.”


I have been at United airlines for 15 years and worked in several different capacities including management. I can honestly say that if this happened at my airlines I would do everything in my power to have that crew removed from the company. Thankfully Delta flight attendants do not have a union so it's highly likely that crew will be fired. Unlike the shit flight attendant union at United that would try to defend them and preserve their jobs.

GhostOverride
01-26-2014, 06:41
This is absolutely ridiculous no one should be treated this way. My dad's a double amputee below the knees and I've seen similar shit when he had to fly.


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JTFRYE
01-26-2014, 07:03
This is why I will never fly delta again.


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iamthesgt
01-26-2014, 07:42
Wow that's awful. I've always been really pleased with Delta, so it sounds like this was a crew who didn't care about the military AND emphasized their protocol over common sense

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GloriousGooch
01-26-2014, 12:50
this kind of shit makes my stomach curl. sick just sick. fucking civilians will never learn or understand... My condolences go out to this fellow brother and may his humiliation be avenged.

Rickety Rob
01-28-2014, 06:43
Ok, so let me get this straight and by no means am I defending Delta.

So the individual here was embarrassed cause he felt he was treated in a different manner cause he was wheel chaired to the back of the plane.

I have some questions here.

Did he originally buy a ticket for first class?

Did he automatically think cause he was a veteran and an amputee that he was get first class?

Why did he go on the plane on a wheel chair to begin with?

Why didn't he just walk on like any other person would?

Why does he need to feel embarrassed to begin with?

He should feel like a fucking badass for having his legs blown off.

I'm pretty sure it sucks for him being in the position hes in but if hes embarrassed to get on a plane as an amputee.

He shouldn't go out in public till he feels comfortable being around people as an amputee.

I only ask these questions cause i think this is an immature way to go about things.

I understand that hes a veteran and he did what most wouldn't do but if he knows he would be embarrassed by being wheeled in the wheel chair from the jump, why wouldn't he just get up and walk?

P.S: Delta is overrated though

Wafflebadger
02-01-2014, 12:27
Ok, so let me get this straight and by no means am I defending Delta.

So the individual here was embarrassed cause he felt he was treated in a different manner cause he was wheel chaired to the back of the plane.

I have some questions here.

Did he originally buy a ticket for first class?

Did he automatically think cause he was a veteran and an amputee that he was get first class?

Why did he go on the plane on a wheel chair to begin with?

Why didn't he just walk on like any other person would?

Why does he need to feel embarrassed to begin with?

He should feel like a fucking badass for having his legs blown off.

I'm pretty sure it sucks for him being in the position hes in but if hes embarrassed to get on a plane as an amputee.

He shouldn't go out in public till he feels comfortable being around people as an amputee.

I only ask these questions cause i think this is an immature way to go about things.

I understand that hes a veteran and he did what most wouldn't do but if he knows he would be embarrassed by being wheeled in the wheel chair from the jump, why wouldn't he just get up and walk?

P.S: Delta is overrated though

Let me clarify from the reading and the knowledge I have of working in the airlines.

he did not have a first class ticket. First class became an issue when 2 of the booked first class passengers offer to trade seats with the Marine.

he was in an aisle chair which is a smaller version of a wheelchair used to get passengers to their seats on an aircraft. It's designed for use in the aircraft aisle.

as for walking, well, he was a double amputee and the article does not say if he had access to prosthetics but I'm inferring no.

I am not an amputee but I can only imagine that the embarrassment would stem from not a feeling of not being as capable as having all faculties. This is my opinion.

I leave the last 3 statements alone, it's not relavant here and very subjective.

Where Delta failed;

first of all, he should have been boarded early as a special needs passenger, especially since he required aisle chair assistance. He was not boarded early.

if a passengers wanted to swap seats that is within the passengers rights, it should have been allowed and a quick call to the pilots MAY have allowed this.

the flight attendants did not utilize any customer service training, good judgment, adherence to policies and procedures, or even any measure of common sense.

the only thing in Deltas argument can only be about slot time/connections and that would be a weak argument given the facts and eyewitness accounts. Slot times can moved but ultimately that decision would be made by station ops via the pilots. The flight attendants can only give information to the pilots about the situation, they have no power to make that decision to delay the flight.

hope this clears some things up

hiddnk1ller4
02-01-2014, 12:35
Let me clarify from the reading and the knowledge I have of working in the airlines.

he did not have a first class ticket. First class became an issue when 2 of the booked first class passengers offer to trade seats with the Marine.

he was in an aisle chair which is a smaller version of a wheelchair used to get passengers to their seats on an aircraft. It's designed for use in the aircraft aisle.

as for walking, we'll he was a double amputee and the article does not say if he had access to prosthetics but I'm inferring no.

I am not an amputee but I can only imagine that the embarrassment would stem from not a feeling of not being as capable as having all faculties. This is my opinion.

I leave the last 3 statements alone, it's not relavant here and very subjective.

Where Delta failed;

first of all, he should have been boarded early as a special needs passenger, especially since he required aisle chair assistance. He was not boarded early.

if a passengers wanted to swap seats that is within the passengers rights, it should have been allowed and a quick call to the pilots may have allowed this.

the flight attendants did not utilize any customer service training, good judgment, adhere ranch to policies and procedures, or even any measure of common sense.

the only thing in Deltas argument can only be about slot time/connections and that would be a weak argument given the facts and eyewitness accounts. Slot times can moved but ultimately that decision would be made by station ops via the pilots. The flight attendants can only give information to the pilots about the situation, they have no power to make that decision to delay the flight.

hope this clears some things up

Appreciate you breaking it down from an airline POV. The majority of the publicity derives on the poor handling of the situation from the staff and the fact he is a veteran. My quarrel with the whole thing is delta has had several problems with special needs passengers in the past and they need to step up especially if the people paying are offering to do the right thing.

Timmy_2_Tones
02-01-2014, 15:59
as for walking, well, he was a double amputee and the article does not say if he had access to prosthetics but I'm inferring no.


.... when the war hero with prosthetic legs bumped into multiple passengers ....

I am not making a point, I just saw this as I read the article.

Regardless, Delta is a shit Airline, I stopped flying with them after they lost my luggage.... EVERY TIME!!!!

Wafflebadger
02-02-2014, 03:53
.... when the war hero with prosthetic legs bumped into multiple passengers ....

I am not making a point, I just saw this as I read the article.

Regardless, Delta is a shit Airline, I stopped flying with them after they lost my luggage.... EVERY TIME!!!!


Thanks for the catch, not sure how I missed that. Now it makes less sense that he was in an aisle chair. That service would have to be requested by the passenger because wheel chair services are sub-contracted through a vendor by that airports management. In the end I hope he filed a complaint through DOT. They will hold the airline accountable even if to line their own pockets with fines. The Americans with disabilities act should definitely give Delta a black eye over this and every incident like this, just pisses me off...

DahliaBellona
02-02-2014, 05:58
I remember showing this article to my mom a few days ago; she works for Delta...but she said this article is from 2012....
Delta doesn't mess around with the military wounded warriors as a company; it sucks when you run into the bad apples; the gate agent, the flight crew, and the TSA are the fails in this situation; Waffle's right; TSA is to alert the gate agent that there's a wounded warrior on their flight, once the person has checked in. If it was a full flight, and the passenger was late, then there's nothing the gate agent could do; but it's a contracted company that wheels them on board; and if the passengers in first class wanted to switch seats, then that's on the flight crew....


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Wafflebadger
02-02-2014, 11:19
At the end of the day; this situation could happen at any airline. When I was in management at LAX we would get DOT complaints about 1 every 45 days about various things. It happens when you deal with as many customers that you see in a day. Every business has employees that are discontented for whatever reason. I wish we were more pro-active in getting rid of ours at United, it's a small part of the reason I no longer work in management there. Anyway it's imperative that veterans continue to report these incidents to businesses to keep them accountable and not take the "drive on" mentality because businesses won't stop to do the right thing but employees "usually" will because we are there in the moment. Only when it costs companies money will it be addressed. That's the way I see it anyway.

MuffGrizz
03-12-2014, 18:50
thats ridiculus the way they treated him. If i was in first class i would have switched seats without asking the flight attendants