Shooting at Fort Hood

[Bravofiveone]

Shooting Confirmed at Fort Hood Army Base | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Active-Shooter-Reported-at-Fort-Hood-253636461.html#


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[comanche_warior]

Oh fuck me running my friend is stationed there.

[sickpuppy79]

8 hurt so far one dead. 2 shooters Im good n safe post locked down. Stuck off post can't get home lol will keep y'all posted anyone else in our group station here be safe brothers

[sickpuppy79]

One person in custody searching for 2 nd swat on station

[sickpuppy79]

Guess it gives my wife excuse to make me go out to eat with her n child instead stuck playing video games since we can't get on post. There goes my play time lol hope everyone is safe n good

[ssandersjr]

What the hell is wrong with people? I hope all of our members are safe.

[JTFRYE]

The same thing happened up here at Norfolk last week. It's starting to get messed up


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[sickpuppy79]

Ok the shooter killed him self 4 dead counting the shooter 14 wounded. Still stuck off post base still freaking locked down.

[BilgeRatBilly]

This is sad and out raging at the same time. How there's minimal casualties.

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[Ragingclue]

That is some bullshit right there.

[CrzyChinook]

Last shooting was with the 135 th Alabama national guard processing at hood to getting ready to deploy to Afghanistan..lots of friends involved with that..did they say where this one happened at yet ??

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[Bravofiveone]

FORT HOOD (CBSDFW.COM) - Four people are confirmed dead and at least 14 people are injured following a shooting at the Fort Hood army post Wednesday evening, according to the House Homeland Security Chair and U.S. Representative from Texas Michael McCaul. CBS News confirms the shooter is among the dead and was killed by a self-inflicted wound. The shooter has been identified as a soldier. He has been identified at 34-year-old Ivan Lopez. The shooting reportedly started as the result of a dispute between soldiers.


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[Recon4thCav]

Hope everyone here is safe. A few Brothers in Arms are stationed there and just recently got back from the Stan. Was glad to hear they were all safe. Sending prayers to everyone affected by this.


Just so sad to see something like this at FT Hood again. I know a lot just go back from a war zone to have this happen on post.....speechless!

[BULLETMAN]

Such Bullshit!! This crap needs to stop.... We should not be hurting our own soldiers!!!! They have enough to deal with without having to wonder if they are gonna get shot by a friendly !!!! Glad all of our guys are OK!!! Sorry to be so out there with my opinion I just can not understand why there is soooo many soldiers shooting soldiers lately!!!! OK I will shut up now. Again glad your safe sick puppy.

[sickpuppy79]

It was right down the street from my work at some medical unit Good thing I am on 30 day leave n wasn't at work I feel sorry for the guys n girls that got hurt or lost there life. The shooter was fighting depression n was in the process of trying to get diagnose with PTSD. He only had 4 months of deployment in Iraq in 2011. Come on 2011 PTSD hmm. Not saying it can't happen but come on he wasn't even infantry sorry for all the non infantry bro n sisters on this site but damn it was a bad day either way.

[A10FtHagFish]

Glad everyone there safe. But it is a bunch of bullshit that our own are killing each other. Stay safe everyone


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[Ragingclue]

Isorry for all the non infantry bro n sisters on this site

No, don't apologize. The abuse of the PTSD claims is not something to be taken lightly. I saw POGs in my Chair Wing unit try to pull it and I about beat the snot out of them. I also had a buddy who said he has nightmares (didn't ask if they were related to deployment) on his pre-EAS medical exam, and so the doc told him he couldn't EAS until they were sure he didn't have PTSD.... I worked beside the guy his whole enlistment, no PTSD and he didn't care to claim it. Yet resources were expended on trying to clear that all up and his EAS was actually pushed back months....

Those who really have PTSD are burdened by these stupid fucks who try to claim it, whether it's to get attention, or to try and score some sick disability rating, or just because they can't discern between being a fucked up POS with regular problems but an inadequate EQ to deal with them.... All that isn't PTSD and I really wish it was a better defined, easier to diagnose/refute, so we could nail all those shitbags who are abusing it to the wall.

I understand the problem is real, it just makes me sick to my stomach the lengths to which it's abused.

I hope the shooter's face and name are mentioned as sparingly as possible. Immortalizing these guys only encourages future incidents like this. The media needs to be better about their responsibilities, but we all know it'll be a cold day in hell before the media actually tries to be part of the solution as opposed to being one of the biggest problems.

RIP to those killed, and prayers to all those affected.

[MsVixonite]

damn... :x Rest In peace for those who have lost their lives & prayers to their families and also prayers to those that are wounded.

[sickpuppy79]

No, don't apologize. The abuse of the PTSD claims is not something to be taken lightly. I saw POGs in my Chair Wing unit try to pull it and I about beat the snot out of them. I also had a buddy who said he has nightmares (didn't ask if they were related to deployment) on his pre-EAS medical exam, and so the doc told him he couldn't EAS until they were sure he didn't have PTSD.... I worked beside the guy his whole enlistment, no PTSD and he didn't care to claim it. Yet resources were expended on trying to clear that all up and his EAS was actually pushed back months....

Those who really have PTSD are burdened by these stupid fucks who try to claim it, whether it's to get attention, or to try and score some sick disability rating, or just because they can't discern between being a fucked up POS with regular problems but an inadequate EQ to deal with them.... All that isn't PTSD and I really wish it was a better defined, easier to diagnose/refute, so we could nail all those shitbags who are abusing it to the wall.

I understand the problem is real, it just makes me sick to my stomach the lengths to which it's abused.

I hope the shooter's face and name are mentioned as sparingly as possible. Immortalizing these guys only encourages future incidents like this. The media needs to be better about their responsibilities, but we all know it'll be a cold day in hell before the media actually tries to be part of the solution as opposed to being one of the biggest problems.

RIP to those killed, and prayers to all those affected.
This is true ppl that really need help can't get the right help. I knw a lot of old battle buddies that is getting screwed over by this

[Recon4thCav]

This is true ppl that really need help can't get the right help. I knw a lot of old battle buddies that is getting screwed over by this

Usually do not get into my backstory to much. I lived at a VA Hos for roughly 8 months. The things I saw.... I had a friend commit suicide after they screwed him over.

A little bout PTSD from someone that was medical retired for it. Still go to support groups at my local VA.

A lot of Veterans claim PTSD for the money. You get 100% from the VA and it is a 2,858.24 check every month that is tax free. And once you get your 100%, you get Social Security which is also tax free if you make under 24k a year(VA Benefits do not count). Also some states allow Veterans at 100% to pay no Property Taxes.

Some of the groups I go to, Veterans just go to "help" their claim. That makes Veterans like myself not want to go. I do not go for the check. I go to try to work through my problems. Shit they can have their money back if I could be the old me before all my deployments.

They also tie down the Claim Process for Veteran's that truly need help.

On the Active Duty side from my eyes and my brothers that still serve eyes- It is looked at as being weak to say you have PTSD in a Combat Unit. I got A LOT of backlash when I asked for help. Almost received an ART 15 for it.

I do not know the whole story behind this shooting, but I try not to blame the Soldier I blame the CoC. Most Soldiers can see if their battle is going through something. DOD needs to work on Identifing and getting AD Soldiers the help they deserve. It is a sad fact that more soldiers have committed suicide than KIA in OIF and OEF combined. 21+ Veterans commit suicide a day....

Just my 2 cents. Maybe one day we will truly will take care of our Veterans. Right now it just seems like the cool thing to say.

[jxspyder]

No, don't apologize. The abuse of the PTSD claims is not something to be taken lightly. I saw POGs in my Chair Wing unit try to pull it and I about beat the snot out of them. I also had a buddy who said he has nightmares (didn't ask if they were related to deployment) on his pre-EAS medical exam, and so the doc told him he couldn't EAS until they were sure he didn't have PTSD.... I worked beside the guy his whole enlistment, no PTSD and he didn't care to claim it. Yet resources were expended on trying to clear that all up and his EAS was actually pushed back months....

Those who really have PTSD are burdened by these stupid fucks who try to claim it, whether it's to get attention, or to try and score some sick disability rating, or just because they can't discern between being a fucked up POS with regular problems but an inadequate EQ to deal with them.... All that isn't PTSD and I really wish it was a better defined, easier to diagnose/refute, so we could nail all those shitbags who are abusing it to the wall.

I understand the problem is real, it just makes me sick to my stomach the lengths to which it's abused.

I hope the shooter's face and name are mentioned as sparingly as possible. Immortalizing these guys only encourages future incidents like this. The media needs to be better about their responsibilities, but we all know it'll be a cold day in hell before the media actually tries to be part of the solution as opposed to being one of the biggest problems.

RIP to those killed, and prayers to all those affected.

Yeah, because there's not a grunt alive who "has PTSD" for the check.......kindly gtfo on that concept.

This issue has absolutely nothing to do with a service members mos, and everything to do with dirtbags who fake it for a check, clogging up and pushing back the people who actually need the help.

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[Ragingclue]

Yeah, because there's not a grunt alive who "has PTSD" for the check.......kindly gtfo on that concept.

This issue has absolutely nothing to do with a service members mos, and everything to do with dirtbags who fake it for a check, clogging up and pushing back the people who actually need the help.

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That's a concept I never put forth. Just because you're a POG doesn't mean you can't get PTSD, nor does being a grunt mean your claim of PTSD is validated. However, it's much easier to discern a poser amongst POG ranks and that's where I think they should start trimming the fat. Maybe I did a bad job of conveying that point, maybe I didn't, but TBH IDGAFF.

I wholly agree with your second line.

[TrillVilleN1]

My girlfriend is trying to go to graduate school for clinical psychology and work with veterans with PTSD. We need to research the fuck out of it so that we can prevent shit like this from happening again.

The more research there is, the more we can prevent idiots who fake claim it. I agree with Dave. They keep the people who actually have it from getting the help they need.

[Ragingclue]

My girlfriend is trying to go to graduate school for clinical psychology and work with veterans with PTSD. We need to research the fuck out of it so that we can prevent shit like this from happening again.

The more research there is, the more we can prevent idiots who fake claim it. I agree with Dave. They keep the people who actually have it from getting the help they need.

Agreed, it needs to be better defined and easier to confirm/refute diagnosis. But until then, what can we do? Stomp on the obvious liars hard IMO. And that starts with those who are making claims of getting PTSD aboard cupcake from four mortar/rocket attacks in one eight month deployment where not a single one registered within a mile of the subject's location. I saw people pulling this shit and brass/docs/etc. who couldn't do anything about it because it's a subject that's being pussyfooted around.

Guilty of malingering for PTSD? BCD IMO. However, that's hard to do without solid diagnosis one way or the other.

[comanche_warior]

Tril I took psych last year and my teacher was in the law enforcement area of the field. Basically they have had reports dating back to the revolutionary war about ptsd. We just haven't had any (don't mean to sound insensitive) reason until now to really look at it. Though different organizations have different reasons to pursue treatments. Its sad to say that many of them are in it for the money.

Now that I know my friend was at fort worth instead of hood I will start my rant.

I'm about tired of all this shit about people shooting people over something stupid and always having some type of mental issues to get them out of it.

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[Rickety Rob]

Yeah, because there's not a grunt alive who "has PTSD" for the check.......kindly gtfo on that concept.

This issue has absolutely nothing to do with a service members mos, and everything to do with dirtbags who fake it for a check, clogging up and pushing back the people who actually need the help.

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Thumbs up to this ^

[TrillVilleN1]

Tril I took psych last year and my teacher was in the law enforcement area of the field. Basically they have had reports dating back to the revolutionary war about ptsd. We just haven't had any (don't mean to sound insensitive) reason until now to really look at it. Though different organizations have different reasons to pursue treatments. Its sad to say that many of them are in it for the money.

Now that I know my friend was at fort worth instead of hood I will start my rant.

I'm about tired of all this shit about people shooting people over something stupid and always having some type of mental issues to get them out of it.

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I hope my girlfriend gets into the program she wants. She's really is passionate about helping soldiers and police officers. One of her best friend's husband got fired from law enforcement because of PTSD. It's fucking ridiculous.

Though PTSD has become more a research topic lately, it is still not researched enough.

[Recon4thCav]

They have started doing more research. They can check brain activity and there is a big difference from someone living a "normal" life and from a Veteran or person with PTSD. PTSD has been around since day 1. I have heard some stupid shit in my time about PTSD. Like Soldiers in WWI and WWII did not have PTSD.....

Anyone that uses PTSD as an excuse to commit crimes- IS WRONG!

There are many Programs out there for Veterans. The real problem is getting Soldiers to admit they have it. Many Combat Units(Not saying pogs can not have it) look at it as weakness. PTSD is a serious issue. And anyone that has gone to the VA know, they are quick to label you without really checking. Yes some VA's are good.

The whole system needs to change. We as a Nation need to take care of each other and our fellow Veterans.

[TrillVilleN1]

Apparently, the guy hadn't even seen combat.

http://gawker.com/according-to-army-secretary-john-mchugh-spec-ivan-lop-1557556202


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Army's top civilian official says the soldier accused in the Fort Hood shooting this week was deployed for the final months of the Iraq war but did not see combat.

Three people died and 16 were wounded before the shooter committed suicide. Army Secretary John McHugh testified Thursday that the soldier appeared to have no connections to extremist groups. The soldier is identified by others as Ivan Lopez. He enlisted in the Army in June 2008 as an infantryman and later switched his specialty to truck driver, the job he had in Iraq.

McHugh says the soldier was examined by a psychiatrist last month and was found to show no violent or suicidal tendencies. He says the soldier had been prescribed Ambien to deal with a sleeping problem.

[Bravofiveone]

PTSD has been around for ages David and Saul had symptoms in the Bible...soldier's heart in civil war...Three thousand years ago, an Egyptian combat veteran named Hori wrote about the feelings he experienced before going into battle: “You determine to go forward. . . . Shuddering seizes you, the hair on your head stands on end, your soul lies in your hand...History tells us that among the Egyptians, Romans, and Greeks, men broke and ran in combat circumstances—in other words, the soldiers of antiquity were no less afraid of dying...Although his own home was untouched, Pepys was unable to sleep for days after the fire. He scrawls: “Both sleeping and waking, and such fear of fire in my heart, that I took little rest.” Two weeks later, Pepys writes: “[M]uch terrified in the nights nowadays, with dreams of fire and falling down of houses.”’ The diary reports general feelings of anger and discontent over the next four months. Pepys then records that news of a chimney fire some distance away “put me into much fear and trouble.”

It appears Swiss military physicians in 1678 were among the first to identify and name that constellation of behaviors that make up acute combat reaction or PTSD. “Nostalgia” was the term they used to define a condition characterized by melancholy, incessant thinking of home, disturbed sleep or insomnia, weakness, loss of appetite, anxiety, cardiac palpitations, stupor, and fever.

German doctors diagnosed the problem among their troops at about the same time as the Swiss. They referred to the condition as heimweh (homesickness). Obviously, it was strongly believed the symptoms came about from the soldiers longing to return home.

In time, French doctors termed the same symptoms maladie du pays, and the Spanish, confronted with the same reactions among their soldiers, called it estar roto (literally, “to be broken”).

During the siege of Gibraltar in 1727, a soldier who was part of the defense of the city kept a diary. In it, there is mention of incidents in which soldiers killed or wounded themselves. He also describes a state of extreme physical fatigue which had caused soldiers to lose their ability to understand or process even the simplest instructions. In this state, the soldiers would refuse to eat, drink, work, or fight in defense of the city, even though they would be repeatedly whipped for not doing so.

The French surgeon Larrey described the disorder—what we now call PTSD—as having three dif ferent stages. The first is heightened excitement and imagination; the second is a period of fever and prominent gastrointestinal symptoms; the final stage is one of frustration and depression.

During the American Civil War, military physicians diagnosed many cases of functional disability as the result of fear of battle and the stresses of military life. This included a wide range of illnesses now known to be caused by emotional turbulence, including paralysis, tremors, self-inflicted wounds, nostalgia, and severe palpitations—also called “soldier’s heart” and “exhausted heart.” It was reportedly surprising to some Civil War physicians that soldiers on normal leave often collapsed with emotional illness at home, even when they had shown no symptoms of mental debilitation before they had left the fighting.


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[KaNtSt0PMeH]

My personal belief is that PTSD is a variable in a complex equation. I have plenty of friends with PTSD many of which reside here who may have had thoughts of harming themselves but never others.

Either way, talking morals and science on stuff like this endless.

One of the people in my squadron had a family member that wad one of the victims. May God rest their soul.

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[Bravofiveone]

It effects people in different ways and each person have their own range of symptoms...the shooter may not have seen combat, but the stress of driving a truck in Iraq not knowing if that day he would be hit by an IED could have been the triggering event


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[Bravofiveone]

I have learned to never discredit anyone's claim of PTSD...it could be from an abusive childhood and a deployment triggered it or many other events can cause PTSD and its origins are not fully known till that person seeks treatment


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[comanche_warior]

Again I don't mean to sound insensitive but the ones in charge of the research seem to only be focusing on soldiers getting it. I know there are many ways to develop the disorder. For example first responders, I know my friends dad was a volunteer fireman and he won't talk about it at all because of one incident that he had. I think we need quit making this a taboo within our society and figure out a way to get people the help they need. I also think we need to quit linking ptsd with shootings, my buddy greg the marine had a moment in class where he had a hallucination that he was in his gear. But he didn't go shoot up the class because of his ptsd. they're making a link that isn't there and I think people will be more reluctant to get help if they will be treated as a threat by being diagnosed with it.

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[Bravofiveone]

I agree


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[TrillVilleN1]

Again I don't mean to sound insensitive but the ones in charge of the research seem to only be focusing on soldiers getting it. I know there are many ways to develop the disorder. For example first responders, I know my friends dad was a volunteer fireman and he won't talk about it at all because of one incident that he had. I think we need quit making this a taboo within our society and figure out a way to get people the help they need. I also think we need to quit linking ptsd with shootings, my buddy greg the marine had a moment in class where he had a hallucination that he was in his gear. But he didn't go shoot up the class because of his ptsd. they're making a link that isn't there and I think people will be more reluctant to get help if they will be treated as a threat by being diagnosed with it.

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I agree. PTSD doesn't lead to shooting up your fellow soldiers. For all we know, this could have been a personal disagreement between individuals who just happened to be soldiers.

[iamthesgt]

It effects people in different ways and each person have their own range of symptoms...the shooter may not have seen combat, but the stress of driving a truck in Iraq not knowing if that day he would be hit by an IED could have been the triggering event

That would be "affects". Sorry, had to do it.

Comanche is spot on. There thousands of vets with PTSD. The fact that only a few have gone and shot up something (and it's not necessarily just the PTSD that causes that, anyway) doesn't mean it's "oh, you have PTSD - you're a walking hazard". Psychology in this country is so messed up - medicating people when they don't need it, over-diagnosing, under-diagnosing, treating physical issues as mental ones - it's a disaster.

[KaNtSt0PMeH]

There's too many psychologists in the country who are looking for what's wrong rather than just being a shoulder for those who need it. Your never going to remove what's happened to you. Accept it, understand what happened and carry on. Easy said than done of course but that's my philosophy. Everything happens for a reason.

Also I don't know if it has been stated in here but this Ivan character supposedly never saw combat, he was just fucked in the head.

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[TrillVilleN1]

Alright guys, let's not go on bashing psychology. Bash the idiots who think it all can be solved by taking a pill. Those idiots are the problem.

Taking away the stigma of PTDS and conducting more research is what is necessary to help those who suffer from the condition.

[iamthesgt]

Alright guys, let's not go on bashing psychology. Bash the idiots who think it all can be solved by taking a pill. Those idiots are the problem.

Taking away the stigma of PTDS and conducting more research is what is necessary to help those who suffer from the condition.

I'll bash psychology all the time because most of those I've met or heard of a) don't seem to believe in personal responsibility (e.g. blame the disorder/situation, not the person) and b) because they seem to think they know for sure that they've identified the issue & have a solution...when really we don't have but a small part of the brain and etc understood, and every person is different.

Sure, take away the stigma and try to help. Absolutely agree. And I know there are some good psychologists out there. They're just way outnumbered by the whack jobs. But like Kant said, sometimes people don't need your help. Sometimes they just need you​.

[SgtAndrsn222Inf]

This shouting really got me all sorts of messed up. And it damn sure don't help when everyone looks at me out of the corner of their eye because I was diagnosed with Chronic PTSD and they are waiting for that to be me, It just sucks.:mad2: SgtAndrsn222Inf

[Shif7y03]

I was there for the one in 2009 it was my unit going threw reverse SRP when that happened and a few of my buddies were hit that one fucked me up, like our deployment wasn't hard enough! And they refused PH to the people injured even though that fucker said he was a jihadist!!
a few months later we found out that one of our brothers couldn't deal with his PTSD and killed himself! RIP SSG Joshua Berry 2009, SGT Danny Ferguson 2014!!

[Shif7y03]

Help declare the 2009 Ft Hood massacre an act of terrorism

https://attachment.fbsbx.com/file_download.php?id=649949548404983&eid=ASvmX-I1uf8bfjY3vx77Vpg3wSe8oytOPzR83TT2RBinrYXfJys08jY2WEpfQZphBpM&ext=1396989364&hash=ASvm8atUoFIkGaM9

[TrillVilleN1]

Help declare the 2009 Ft Hood massacre an act of terrorism

https://attachment.fbsbx.com/file_download.php?id=649949548404983&eid=ASvmX-I1uf8bfjY3vx77Vpg3wSe8oytOPzR83TT2RBinrYXfJys08jY2WEpfQZphBpM&ext=1396989364&hash=ASvm8atUoFIkGaM9

The link doesn't work. And why would it be terrorism???

[Ragingclue]

The link doesn't work. And why would it be terrorism???

Because it was the use of violence to achieve a religious/political/ideological goal as evidenced by the testimony of the fat shit as well as his behavior at the time. The fact that "they" refuse to acknowledge this is why those wounded won't receive the PH, and I believe there are issues with care for dependents involved or something like that too..... He'd have to have proven to commit the act with the intent to achieve an ideological/political/religious goal (no brainer IMO) and also be proven to be working for a foreign terrorist organization (which his comms with al-Awlaki should fulfill easily).

It's sad but I'm sure the push to deny that classification was from above. Nobody wants to be "up the chain" from an international terrorist incident by a person in our own uniform.

[Shif7y03]

Because it was the use of violence to achieve a religious/political/ideological goal as evidenced by the testimony of the fat shit as well as his behavior at the time. The fact that "they" refuse to acknowledge this is why those wounded won't receive the PH, and I believe there are issues with care for dependents involved or something like that too..... He'd have to have proven to commit the act with the intent to achieve an ideological/political/religious goal (no brainer IMO) and also be proven to be working for a foreign terrorist organization (which his comms with al-Awlaki should fulfill easily).

It's sad but I'm sure the push to deny that classification was from above. Nobody wants to be "up the chain" from an international terrorist incident by a person in our own uniform.

Which he admitted to during his trial!!
Sorry this link should work

http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/3111

[TrillVilleN1]

Because it was the use of violence to achieve a religious/political/ideological goal as evidenced by the testimony of the fat shit as well as his behavior at the time. The fact that "they" refuse to acknowledge this is why those wounded won't receive the PH, and I believe there are issues with care for dependents involved or something like that too..... He'd have to have proven to commit the act with the intent to achieve an ideological/political/religious goal (no brainer IMO) and also be proven to be working for a foreign terrorist organization (which his comms with al-Awlaki should fulfill easily).

It's sad but I'm sure the push to deny that classification was from above. Nobody wants to be "up the chain" from an international terrorist incident by a person in our own uniform.
The part I think would be hard to prove is the use of violence to achieve a religious/political/ideological goal. The last news I heard was that the guy was pissed he didn't get time off.

http://gawker.com/witnesses-and-relatives-of-the-soldiers-wounded-at-the-1559065295

[TrillVilleN1]

The part I think would be hard to prove is the use of violence to achieve a religious/political/ideological goal. The last news I heard was that the guy was pissed he didn't get time off.

http://gawker.com/witnesses-and-relatives-of-the-soldiers-wounded-at-the-1559065295

Nevermind, the petition is for the 2009 shooting. I didn't catch that at first.

[Shif7y03]

Nevermind, the petition is for the 2009 shooting.

Not the 2014!! This is for the 2009 shooting!!

[Ragingclue]

Nevermind, the petition is for the 2009 shooting. I didn't catch that at first.

Heh ok that makes sense.

Did the Army's reinvestigation into the 2009 incident to reclassify it as an act of terrorism (started I believe last Nov?) ever gain traction?

[Shif7y03]

Heh ok that makes sense.

Did the Army's reinvestigation into the 2009 incident to reclassify it as an act of terrorism (started I believe last Nov?) ever gain traction?

Yeah that's the point of this bill!!

[TrillVilleN1]

Yeah that's the point of this bill!!
What can we do? I didn't really see anything I could do from that link. Maybe I'm blind?

[Shif7y03]

What can we do? I didn't really see anything I could do from that link. Maybe I'm blind?

Basically just call or write ur congressman urging support for the bill!!