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Bravofiveone
05-13-2014, 11:54
Microsoft Frees Xbox One From Kinect With $399 Standalone System
by Paul Tassi
Hard-to-believe news out of Microsoft Microsoft this morning, as it’s just been announced that starting June 9th, there will be a $399 Kinect-free Xbox One.

Microsoft has seemed to be unwavering in its commitment to the Kinect motion/voice-control peripheral, refusing to unbundle it from the console even after altering many other aspects of the One in the wake of last year’s E3. Microsoft always maintained the Kinect was an essential part of the One, and as such, they couldn’t part with it.

But 2014 has brought with it the revelation that the Xbox One continues to lag behind the PS4 in sales. The last known numbers put Sony's Sony's system at 7 million sold to customers, while the Xbox One has five million sold to retailers. The gap is apparently wide enough to warrant drastic action like what we’re seeing today.

The announcement states that the current $500 Kinect bundle will also continue to be sold, and this fall, consumers will also be able to purchase a standalone Kinect if they picked up a $399 system and decided they did indeed want the peripheral. No word on the potential price of a standalone Xbox One Kinect as of yet.



If this wasn’t enough of an announcement Microsoft also revealed that they’re freeing a number of app services from the requirement of Xbox Live Gold, including Netflix Netflix, Hulu, HBO Go, Twitch, Machinima and many more.

As its direct competition, PS4, offers access to these services without a PS Plus subscription, and indirect rivals like Chromecast and Roku allow easy streaming with no additional fees, the move seems absolutely necessary for the Xbox to remain competitive in the “living room entertainment box” space. It rubbed most consumers the wrong way when third party subscription services were being hidden behind not just the ISP fee to access the internet, but then Microsoft’s additional Gold fee to access the internet through Xbox. It’s far too many subscription layers in this day and age, and an overwhelming amount of competition in the streaming space has forced Microsoft’s hand.

As expected, Microsoft is not even close to doing away with the hugely profitable Xbox Live Gold altogether, as it’s still required to play multiplayer games. Today Microsoft announced that there will be many free games, discounts and special offers associated with continued Gold membership as well. All of this, between moving apps outside of the paywall and offering deep discounts and free games, shows that Microsoft is doing their best to close the gap with Sony’s PS Plus, as now the two services are now nearly mirror images of each other.

If the timing of this seems odd just a few weeks ahead of E3, it’s important to consider what’s being announced here. Essentially both of these major items are things that fans have been requesting for a long while now. Microsoft is essentially admitting that a forced Kinect bundle was hurting them, and not the best idea, and the app/Gold paywall problem was absolutely necessary to fix quickly as more and more competition continued to emerge. Microsoft is correcting a pair of mistakes here, and that’s not really something you’d announce to boisterous cheers at E3 on stage.

Microsoft has shown remarkable flexibility when it comes to course correcting. They did so last year at E3 in record time when it came to the Xbox One’s online connectivity requirements and used games policies. Here, they’re doing the unexpected by once again listening to their fans and making very big moves to ensure the Xbox One remains competitive.

Whether this is the best thing for the console is up for debate. Despite its problems, Kinect has been a distinguishing factor for the One, and now making it optional will likely result in even less dev support for the peripheral. Still, I would argue the benefits of the huge price cut outweigh the sacrifice, but now we’ll have to see what happens with sales of the console starting in June.

I’m speaking with Microsoft shortly about all this, and will have more to come in a follow-up piece.



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iamthesgt
05-13-2014, 12:10
That's cool. Good on them (though his point about Kinect not seeing as much dev use is indeed a concern for the future of Kinect)

BULLETMAN
05-13-2014, 14:56
I knew it.... They had no choice but to make a cheaper version to compete with PS4.....

KaNtSt0PMeH
05-13-2014, 18:14
Mods move to XBOX One thread.

I for one think this is bullshit but whatever. They don't care about the people who have already spent the money.

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GhostOverride
05-13-2014, 21:19
Mods move to XBOX One thread.

I for one think this is bullshit but whatever. They don't care about the people who have already spent the money.

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That's what I'm saying, they aren't going to do shit for early adopters who had no choice


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BULLETMAN
05-13-2014, 22:10
Mods move to XBOX One thread.

I for one think this is bullshit but whatever. They don't care about the people who have already spent the money.

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Right.... I wish I would have had a choice.... I still have not even taken the Kinect out of the box!!!


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BilgeRatBilly
05-14-2014, 01:36
Their strategy (while bold) just might work. I for one was not about to drop $500 for a video game console, but for $400 it does become at least slightly more palatable. Might be enough to get me to trade in and upgrade.

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Recon4thCav
05-14-2014, 10:41
I might get one now. Never liked the Kinect, but the Titanfall package might be a better deal at 499.00 then the xbox1 alone at 399.

A10FtHagFish
05-14-2014, 18:03
The kinect really doesn't do much for me other than listen when I yell at it. Dropping the kinect and dropping the price is a very smart move. They should have offered the kinect package and the package without it right from the get go.

MARDIGRA21
05-14-2014, 22:50
But it's better with kinect lol fucking Microsoft never sticks with their plan. Hopefully I can trade mine in to GameStop.


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KaNtSt0PMeH
05-14-2014, 22:53
I like the Kinect for the convenience of it but if they offered it originally without I wouldn't have gotten it. I don't care about competing with Ps4. I care about getting more content out and maybe one day having backwards compatibility.

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Bull3tBait
05-15-2014, 11:23
What they really should have done is offered 2 configurations. An "Elite" configuration that had everything they promised it would have before all the whiners got them to dummy down the system. And then they should have offered a cheaper console like what they are releasing now. I would have preferred the XBONE the way they originally intended it and I would have paid more for it.

As for you guys and wanting to ditch the connect, how are you going to get your "Xbox record that" done without interrupting your gameplay lol


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MARDIGRA21
05-15-2014, 11:24
What they really should have done is offered 2 configurations. An "Elite" configuration that had everything they promised it would have before all the whiners got them to dummy down the system. And then they should have offered a cheaper console like what they are releasing now. I would have preferred the XBONE the way they originally intended it and I would have paid more for it.

As for you guys and wanting to ditch the connect, how are you going to get your "Xbox record that" done without interrupting your gameplay lol


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An el gato capture card lol


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jxspyder
05-15-2014, 16:49
An el gato capture card lol


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Yep, nothing like replacing a $100 Kinect with a $150 capture card....:beer::cool:

Bravofiveone
05-15-2014, 18:13
Microsoft still lags behind Sony as U.S. Xbox One sales slump by 50%
May 15, 2014 | By Alex Wawro, Simon Carless
Microsoft reports it sold just 115,000 Xbox One consoles in the month of April in the U.S., placing behind sales of Sony's PlayStation 4 console for the fourth month in a row.

The data comes courtesy of the NPD Group, which today released their estimates for new game hardware and software sold at U.S. brick-and-mortar stores for the month of April 2014.

Neither Sony nor Nintendo have released detailed April sales figures, but NPD analyst Liam Callahan told VentureBeat that "Sony’s PlayStation 4 was the No. 1 platform for hardware sales in April for the fourth month in a row, followed by Xbox One."

It's not great news for Microsoft, who last month announced it had sold in (shipped) just over 5 million Xbox One consoles to retailers worldwide in the six months since launch -- outpacing the sell-in of the Xbox 360 at the same point in its lifespan by roughly 60 percent.

But the company has been quiet on total worldwide sell-through numbers, and Microsoft CFO Amy Hood noted on the firm's recent earnings call that Microsoft's supply of Xbox One consoles was, at least for that moment, greater than consumer demand. This is a situation that did not appear to exist during the early days of the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3, which reputedly saw slower, supply-constrained beginnings.

Overall, the 115,000 sell-through number reported today reveals that Xbox One sales are retreating, dropping roughly 50 percent on a weekly basis from the 311,000 Xbox One consoles Microsoft sold at U.S. retail the month prior - and in the first full month of sales for Titanfall, the firm's highest-profile 'exclusive' software title to date. (Electronic Arts & Respawn's Titanfall was the top-selling U.S. retail game for the month overall, but only across Xbox 360, Xbox One, and PC, with the Xbox 360 SKU outselling the Xbox One version.)

Indeed, Sony's Guy Longworth confirmed via a statement that Infamous: Second Son for PlayStation 4 was the highest-selling 'next-gen' console game at U.S. retail in April, beating out the Xbox One version of Titanfall. But Microsoft continued to beat its chest, touting its 2.9 games sold per Xbox One to date and promising via a blog post from Yusuf Mehdi: "We’re just getting started with this generation."

Overall, the Xbox One's sales decrease also hints to reasons behind the company's recently-announced decision to begin selling cheaper, Kinect-less Xbox One consoles in June for $399, the same price as a PlayStation 4 - a move that Microsoft is hoping will rejuvenate its fortunes.

Sony's fortunes are not completely peachy, either. Although it's sold through 7 million PS4 consoles worldwide to date, its parent company reported a loss for the year this week. But Sony believes a swing back to profits for its game business is in order, thanks to increased PS4 sales and improved margins, estimating it will sell 17 million PS4s and PS3s combined during the fiscal year.

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MARDIGRA21
05-16-2014, 02:09
Yep, nothing like replacing a $100 Kinect with a $150 capture card....:beer::cool:

I already have one so I don't need to buy one.


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TrillVilleN1
05-16-2014, 07:39
Microsoft still lags behind Sony as U.S. Xbox One sales slump by 50%
May 15, 2014 | By Alex Wawro, Simon Carless
Microsoft reports it sold just 115,000 Xbox One consoles in the month of April in the U.S., placing behind sales of Sony's PlayStation 4 console for the fourth month in a row.

The data comes courtesy of the NPD Group, which today released their estimates for new game hardware and software sold at U.S. brick-and-mortar stores for the month of April 2014.

Neither Sony nor Nintendo have released detailed April sales figures, but NPD analyst Liam Callahan told VentureBeat that "Sony’s PlayStation 4 was the No. 1 platform for hardware sales in April for the fourth month in a row, followed by Xbox One."

It's not great news for Microsoft, who last month announced it had sold in (shipped) just over 5 million Xbox One consoles to retailers worldwide in the six months since launch -- outpacing the sell-in of the Xbox 360 at the same point in its lifespan by roughly 60 percent.

But the company has been quiet on total worldwide sell-through numbers, and Microsoft CFO Amy Hood noted on the firm's recent earnings call that Microsoft's supply of Xbox One consoles was, at least for that moment, greater than consumer demand. This is a situation that did not appear to exist during the early days of the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3, which reputedly saw slower, supply-constrained beginnings.

Overall, the 115,000 sell-through number reported today reveals that Xbox One sales are retreating, dropping roughly 50 percent on a weekly basis from the 311,000 Xbox One consoles Microsoft sold at U.S. retail the month prior - and in the first full month of sales for Titanfall, the firm's highest-profile 'exclusive' software title to date. (Electronic Arts & Respawn's Titanfall was the top-selling U.S. retail game for the month overall, but only across Xbox 360, Xbox One, and PC, with the Xbox 360 SKU outselling the Xbox One version.)

Indeed, Sony's Guy Longworth confirmed via a statement that Infamous: Second Son for PlayStation 4 was the highest-selling 'next-gen' console game at U.S. retail in April, beating out the Xbox One version of Titanfall. But Microsoft continued to beat its chest, touting its 2.9 games sold per Xbox One to date and promising via a blog post from Yusuf Mehdi: "We’re just getting started with this generation."

Overall, the Xbox One's sales decrease also hints to reasons behind the company's recently-announced decision to begin selling cheaper, Kinect-less Xbox One consoles in June for $399, the same price as a PlayStation 4 - a move that Microsoft is hoping will rejuvenate its fortunes.

Sony's fortunes are not completely peachy, either. Although it's sold through 7 million PS4 consoles worldwide to date, its parent company reported a loss for the year this week. But Sony believes a swing back to profits for its game business is in order, thanks to increased PS4 sales and improved margins, estimating it will sell 17 million PS4s and PS3s combined during the fiscal year.

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This article makes it seem a lot worse than it actually is. Compared to the 360 at this point when released, the Xbox One is still selling much better. But most people don't care about how well it is doing when compared to it's old self.

One thing many people forget to consider is that the PS4 is selling in twice as many countries than the Xbox One and is $100 cheaper. Once the Kinect-less Xbox One is released along with it being sold in more countries for a cheaper price, it will catch up.

A10FtHagFish
05-16-2014, 08:50
This article makes it seem a lot worse than it actually is. Compared to the 360 at this point when released, the Xbox One is still selling much better. But most people don't care about how well it is doing when compared to it's old self.

One thing many people forget to consider is that the PS4 is selling in twice as many countries than the Xbox One and is $100 cheaper. Once the Kinect-less Xbox One is released along with it being sold in more countries for a cheaper price, it will catch up.

Since there is the competition between two consoles, no one will ever look at that. All they will look at is the number of consoles sold, and never at the number of places it's sold in


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