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River_Rat_459
09-30-2010, 18:25
I found this on some different news sites today. I think it says a lot. I highlighted some key notes in bold.



Sep tember 30, 2010
Associated Press

DURHAM, N.C. -- Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that most Americans have grown too detached from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and see military service as "something for other people to do."

In a speech Wednesday at Duke University, Gates said this disconnect has imposed a heavy burden on a small segment of society and wildly driven up the costs of maintaining an all-volunteer force.

Because fewer Americans see military service as their duty, troops today face repeated combat tours and long separations from family. The 2.4 million people serving in the armed forces today represent less than 1 percent of the country's total population.

To attract and retain recruits, the Defense Department finds itself spending more money, including handsome bonuses and education benefits. The money spent on personnel and benefits has nearly doubled since the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, from $90 billion to $170 billion.

"That is our sacred obligation," Gates told the audience of compensating troops. "But given the enormous fiscal pressures facing the country," the nation must devise "an equitable and sustainable system of military pay and benefits that reflects the realities of this century."

Gates, who plans to retire next year, has been using academic-style speeches to outline what he believes to be the nation's toughest challenges that lie ahead when it comes to defense.

Earlier this year, Gates asked whether troops were training for the right kinds of missions and called into question the utility of D-Day style amphibious landings handled historically by the Marine Corps. He has also embarked on a cost-cutting initiative to prepare for what he says are leaner days ahead for the department.

As is the case in most of these speeches, Gates on Wednesday tried to raise awareness about a long-term problem rather than solve it. He offered no plan for what he described as a growing divide between Americans in uniform and those who aren't.

"Whatever their fond sentiments for men and women in uniform, for most Americans the war remains an abstraction -- a distant and unpleasant series of news items that do not affect them personally," Gates said.

Even after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, for most Americans "service in the military -- no matter how laudable -- has become something for other people to do," he added.

Gates gave his speech in front of some 1,200 faculty and students at Duke, considered one of the nation's top universities.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are considered the first large-scale, protracted conflicts since the Revolutionary War fought entirely with volunteers. Most military officials agree that this isn't a bad thing. Today's U.S. military forces are considered more professional and better educated than their predecessors.

More enlisted troops hold a high school diploma, or its equivalent, than their civilian peers. Two-thirds of new recruits come from neighborhoods that are at or above the median household income.

But the military isn't representative of the country as a whole. Recruits are most likely to serve only if they grow up around others who do so. The military also draws heavily from rural areas, particularly in the South and the mountain West.

The premise underlying an all-volunteer force also has changed. Initiated in 1973, the concept was that such a force would fight in short, conventional conflicts like the 1991 Gulf War, or defend the U.S. and its allies against Soviet aggression.

But after almost a decade of warfare since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, troops who have escaped combat unscathed still faced repeated deployments with long separations from their families. In Iraq at one point, some combat tours stretched to 18 months. More than 1 million Soldiers and Marines have been deployed there during the course of the conflict.

The consequences of long deployments in combat zones have been real. Suicide figures have increased, while the divorce rate among enlisted Soldiers has nearly doubled.

"No matter how patriotic, how devoted they are, at some point they will want to have the semblance of a normal life -- getting married, starting a family, going to college or graduate school, seeing their children grow up -- all of which they have justly earned," Gates said.

Without offering specifics, Gates said a system must be created that is generous enough to recruit and retain people without causing the Defense Department to sink under the weight of personnel costs.

squidfamily1
10-01-2010, 07:58
Time to restart the draft

toby2533
10-01-2010, 09:40
I guess the Corps is going to have to change from the few the proud to the fewest the proud

saviger
10-01-2010, 10:26
The military also draws heavily from rural areas, particularly in the South and the mountain West.

this is especially true in the Combat Arms area, I would say %90 of members of my Scout platoon where from the South, and States like Montana and the Dakotas'.
Makes you think... the trend is, men who grow up in a conservative area; tend to not only feel it is their duty to do their time serving the nation, but want to pick a combat arms role to get into the fight.

What does this mean for the future of our nation? what consequences will come of this?

toby2533
10-01-2010, 10:46
Well the best thing I ever heard about a military unit is there are 3 things that each unit allways has.
1) a guy from Texas
2) A guy with an eastern European name no one can say (usually ending in ski)
3) you will get a nickname, that you have no say in what it is.

River_Rat_459
10-01-2010, 16:15
3) you will get a nickname, that you have no say in what it is.

Most of mine involve expletives. :oops:

saviger
10-01-2010, 17:18
3) you will get a nickname, that you have no say in what it is.

Most of mine involve expletives. :oops:

Rofl, I got lucky, i was just called "Monty"
well.... for my first year in the unit I was called "F'n New Guy"

toby2533
10-02-2010, 06:40
I was number 2 but, last name is croation ending in ich, but my nick name was luckly it was Tut the first part of my last name. We had a guy that paidd mama-son, picked his girl went back to the rooms came back 5 min later this guy was given the nickname of short round stayed with him for 3 years, I even call him that on the phone when I call him even today we just laugh about it now.

jxspyder
10-02-2010, 23:28
The military also draws heavily from rural areas, particularly in the South and the mountain West.

this is especially true in the Combat Arms area, I would say %90 of members of my Scout platoon where from the South, and States like Montana and the Dakotas'.
Makes you think... the trend is, men who grow up in a conservative area; tend to not only feel it is their duty to do their time serving the nation, but want to pick a combat arms role to get into the fight.

What does this mean for the future of our nation? what consequences will come of this?

Or it's just because you get free ammo to shoot stuff, and get payed to do it.

bcgdragon
10-08-2010, 17:24
Well the best thing I ever heard about a military unit is there are 3 things that each unit allways has.
1) a guy from Texas
2) A guy with an eastern European name no one can say (usually ending in ski)
3) you will get a nickname, that you have no say in what it is.

^This