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River_Rat_459
03-08-2012, 18:54
I'm not trying to put anyone in a downer mood, but I think it's as important as a matter as any to discuss. The main reason I want to put this up here is that it's important to make sure everyone here knows that if you ever find yourself feeling like you've got nowhere to turn, don't hesitate to get hold of someone from this community.

I can speak from past personal experience that someone can pull you back from the brink. We're not licensed therapists or counselors. But what we are are brothers and sisters in arms (and friends!).


Army Suicides Up 80 Percent Since Iraq War Start

March 08, 2012
Agence France-Presse

The number of suicides in the U.S. Army rose by 80 percent after the United States launched the war on Iraq, American military doctors reported on Thursday.

From 1977 to 2003, the tally of Army suicides had trended slightly downwards, and was far below civilian rates.

But it started to curve upwards in 2004, the year after the U.S.-led invasion, according to their analysis, published in the British journal Injury Prevention.

In 2008, 140 Army personnel committed suicide, a figure 80 percent higher than in 2004 when measured in "person-years," a benchmark used by health experts, and much higher than in civilian society, it found.

"This increase, unprecedented in over 30 years of U.S. Army records, suggests that 30 percent of suicides that occurred in 2008 may be associated with post-2003 events following the major commitment of troops to Iraq, in addition to the ongoing operations in Afghanistan," says the paper.

Those who died were overwhelmingly male, young, white, in the lower military ranks and likelier to have had a history of depression and other mental disorders.

The rise mirrored an increase in consultations and hospitalisation for mental health. From 2003, these rates nearly doubled.

"The 2008 rate indicates that more than one-fifth of all active-duty soldiers had an ambulatory [walk-in] visit for a mental health disorder, implying a prevalent public health problem," warns the study.

In 2008, nearly a third of the suicides occurred among troops who had never deployed, which highlights the need to provide counselling for young soldiers facing pre-combat stress, it adds.

The study was headed by Michelle Canham-Chervak of the U.S. Army Public Health Command, using information from the Army Behavioral Integrated Data Environment.

This is a data bank that combines several national military sources, including details about medical consultations, diagnoses and treatment.

The study dissected the figures for 2007 and 2008, and compared these with previous years.

It did not include other branches of the U.S. military, nor did it examine trends after President Barack Obama's decision to pull out of Iraq, an operation that concluded last December.

http://www.military.com/news/article/army-suicides-up-80-percent-since-iraq-war-start.html

Rickety Rob
03-09-2012, 05:55
Sad but true. War takes a toll on a lot of people, especially those who where tactical and been on a lot of tours.

toby2533
03-09-2012, 06:27
this is in part the epic fail of our nation now, the fact that over the years fewer and fewer of our nation serves in the military, in WWII we had 88 to 90 divisions organized to fight, that number has kept decreasing over the years, the average days spent on the line has increased over the years from WWII to Nam to what we have today when a kid will put 2 combats tours in a 4 year enlistment, from reading books and listening to you who have fought in Iraq and Afgan it sounds like almost every day you going on the line. We even had to tap our guard and reserve units with almost the same deployments. Then I read that they try to fix everyone with pills, that mess up the chemistry of the brain and this is what you get. just my 5 cents on this.

arMedL3PR3ChauN
03-15-2012, 19:52
The Air Force is feeling the painful reality of suicides as well. So far this year (2012) Air Force wide we have had 25 confirmed suicides. 3 months into this year......that is a lot of Airman. If you suspect someone is going through some tuff times try and stop them and talk to them. Even the people you think are the mostly mentally strong individuals in your unit can be going through things that can alter their judgment so much that they think the easiest way out is death. I know we all go through a ton of suicide awareness training so I wont harp on it. We have all been given the tools to properly address this issues if we see them, just don't forget you have those tools, and use them. Next time it could be a close friend of yours. Or even worse it could be you. If Anyone ever needs to talk and you think it is to hard to talk to someone in your chain off command. Remember you have a huge family here at USMG! There is always someone willing to listen/give advice if you want or need it. Stay safe Fellow Brothers!

JBas83
03-15-2012, 20:25
I could see it. I honestly believe we the military is disorganized in the fact it seems we keep deploying the same people over and over again while there are others that just hide out and never deploy.

I had a soldier that attempted suicide after returning from Iraq and a couple months after that he was sent to Afghanistan. I just dont get it. I know personally I had to "come back to reality" after returning this last time and was even put on medicine to help me out.

The way my last unit worked as soon as you returned home you were notified of when you would be going again and you started training for the new mission. Yes it may be a year out or so but just the fact that as soon as you get off the bus you have been slotted again puts a toll on you.

The only solution I have seen that the Army has come up with so far is the fact that in the past soldiers get a month off work after returning. The Army has cut that to the point that you get 2 weeks off come back to work for 3 weeks (half days) and then off 2 weeks. This is so leaders can recognize the signs of problems. To be honest though to fix the problem they need to find all these people hiding in Garrison and send there butts over there. BTW I am now working Garrison so I have nothing against people that do and aint in a line unit but everyone needs there turn.

Shadowdawn
03-15-2012, 20:26
This is a sad reality that I think some of the higher ups acknowledged early on. Back in 02 while stateside between deployments I was tasked with being the "Suicide Prevention Guy". They made it a requirement that all flyers had to attend this every 2 months or be grounded untill it was completed. Not just refresher type stuff but the full class. Prior to that it was attend one class a year if I remember right. Not sure if that was only wing level.