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River_Rat_459
04-19-2012, 09:29
Report: Women to attend Marines' infantry school

The U.S. Marine Corps plans to allow a yet-undetermined number of female volunteers to enroll in the school that trains its infantry combat officers, the Marine Corps Times has reported.

The plan to open the Infantry Officers Course to women is part of the service's effort to determine which additional jobs will be open to women, Gen. Joseph Dunford, the Marines' assistant commandant, told the Marine Corps Times.

"We are in the process right now of soliciting volunteers," Dunford told the Times for a story published Wednesday.

Enlisted women also will have a chance to take infantry training, Dunford told the Times, which reported that it wasn't yet clear what jobs would be assigned to women who complete the training. Marine Corps officials planned to reveal details "in the coming days," the Times reported.

Earlier this year, CNN's Barbara Starr reported that the Pentagon was planning to open up nearly 14,000 jobs to military women - jobs that would place them closer to the front lines of combat.

Some of the newly opened jobs were to include specialties such as tank or artillery mechanic, missile launcher crew members and field surgeons in forward deployed brigade combat teams. However, women still would not be permitted in frontline jobs directly involved in combat such as infantry units or counterterrorism sniper teams.

Under a 1994 policy, women are restricted from formally serving in small ground units directly involved in combat, Starr reported in February. The reality of the last 10 years of war, however, has been that many women serve in support positions - such as military police or medics - that place them in harm's way. They are not formally assigned to combat units, but rather informally "attached," which means they do not get the crucial credit for combat duty that is needed for promotions to higher grades.

Over the last several years, advocates as well as some senior U.S. military commanders have increasingly called for more ground combat jobs to be open to women, Starr reported.

The Marine Corps Times also reported that the Marines are developing "gender-neutral" physical fitness tests for combat tasks. Such requirements would not differ for men and women, and would suggest that women who wanted to perform such tasks must prove that they could do so at the level of their male counterparts, the Times reported.

SOURCE: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/19/report-women-to-attend-marines-infantry-school/?hpt=hp_t2

Rickety Rob
04-19-2012, 09:47
I think this is a great idea. There are a lot of women who would like to take more tactical jobs.

sirjohnathon
04-20-2012, 10:07
The very last paragraph is perfect. I have always been of the idea you need to set a physical standard which is required for the tasks, and if you can pass it you can join....regardless of male or female. The only problem I have is if they have a different set of requirements.

Rickety Rob
04-20-2012, 10:28
The very last paragraph is perfect. I have always been of the idea you need to set a physical standard which is required for the tasks, and if you can pass it you can join....regardless of male or female. The only problem I have is if they have a different set of requirements.

I don't think they should. If women take the same roles in a tactical mos, they should be held to the same standard as the men. Lots of Bull Dikes hanging with the Scouts and Infantryman...hahaha!

iamthesgt
04-20-2012, 12:25
The very last paragraph is perfect. I have always been of the idea you need to set a physical standard which is required for the tasks, and if you can pass it you can join....regardless of male or female. The only problem I have is if they have a different set of requirements.

Yeah any form of discrimination, positive or negative, in situations like these just lead to problems and potentially dead soldiers.

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ValhallaCQC
04-20-2012, 12:28
It's all good as long as you can drag my blown up ass to safety.

USMCramirez
04-20-2012, 13:52
Agree to disagree?

Women probably can do the job. I've met a lot that say that can't and are against it. I say, so long as everyone can adjust to it fairly well. They are a huge distraction. We'd have a woman show up at our patrol base once in a blue moon. It was horrible. Half the platoon would be crowded around her talking. They distract.

If they can hold their own, I can dig it, lets be honest though, its hard enough to find a guy thats big enough to carry a big guy like me. I know I'm not the only big guy out there. Hell my SAW gunner weighs in around 215. Not to mention all the other stuff.

Time will tell. We shall see what happens. They should have sent a female through SOI instead of IOC...

Crusty
04-20-2012, 14:47
Women probably can do the job. I've met a lot that say that can't and are against it. I say, so long as everyone can adjust to it fairly well. They are a huge distraction. We'd have a woman show up at our patrol base once in a blue moon. It was horrible. Half the platoon would be crowded around her talking. They distract.

But if the presence of women on your base was a regular thing, how distracting would it actually be then? Right now, a woman being around is out of the ordinary and so automatically stands out. If they are there day in and day out, they become part of the ordinary and so are more likely to just blend in with the environment.

I think the argument that women would be distracting is the same as the argument that gay men would be distracting, which so far (at least according to what research has been released to the public) hasn't proven to hold much water.

MARDIGRA21
04-20-2012, 15:22
Sweet blowjobs on patrol lol I'm totally kidding. In all honesty I don't think they should be with infantry units, huge distraction like when the mwr girls would come to the fob. Dont they have those all female embedded teams? I remember talking about that a while back.

WiLdMAN
04-21-2012, 06:18
being a marine this is such bs i am in an infantry unit and i dont want to have to deal with the problems women marines may arise while doing tarining this is going to be terrible

USMCramirez
04-21-2012, 09:01
Same here wildman.

Itd be nice if they weren't distracting. We had a british field squad with us. They had woman rolling with them. They were distracted. Thats because the woman weren't attractive. But the brits had to walk on eggshells with them around. their squads that didn't have woman were way more relaxed.

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KaNtSt0PMeH
04-21-2012, 11:42
Women have smaller brains too... lol jk. We have a hard enough time on the flight line with females complaining all the time blah blah blah. Bad idea 'nuff said.

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Indiobeltran
04-21-2012, 12:36
idk if I agree with this..:ohwell:

David_3033
04-21-2012, 14:18
I don't like this idea at all. We had women at MCT with us that couldn't finish the humps unless other Marines literally pushed them and carried their molle packs for them. And this was immediately after boot camp. Not saying that all women are like this. I also see to much distraction and favoritism as a result.

David_3033
04-21-2012, 14:22
But if the presence of women on your base was a regular thing, how distracting would it actually be then? Right now, a woman being around is out of the ordinary and so automatically stands out. If they are there day in and day out, they become part of the ordinary and so are more likely to just blend in with the environment.

I think the argument that women would be distracting is the same as the argument that gay men would be distracting, which so far (at least according to what research has been released to the public) hasn't proven to hold much water.

IDK, I see a good looking girl that work with us almost every week. She is still a distraction for all straight men at the office....

Chet The Jet
04-24-2012, 18:30
This is good to a certain extent. Women who are best qualified should go, not all women. But the best of the best in my opinion.

Rickety Rob
04-25-2012, 08:25
This is good to a certain extent. Women who are best qualified should go, not all women. But the best of the best in my opinion.

Of course their would be a test that would have to be passed in order to go. Same as what the men have to go through

USMCramirez
04-25-2012, 10:06
Well the test for officers is tbs

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FiddlersGreen09
05-03-2012, 10:20
I trained briefly with a German Inf. Mech. Unit and they had a female SGT. Never really found out why she did it but she was able to perform and pass all the tasks, assignments, and physical training.