Something Fishy about FaF clan.

[MjolnirActual]

Hey gents,

Last night a bunch of us were playing on the FaF (Forward Assault Force) (TDM 300% tickets) server against a whole heap load of their guys, and frankly we were getting creamed.

Normally I take a good whoop'n as a learning experience and try to learn to do better. However last night something just didn't sit right. These guys were everywhere, running in mass groups and seemed impervious to close fire. (not like ooo almost got him ... like dump a clip, get the hit markers, die and the kill screen shows he is still at 100%)

Again I try to give the benefit of the doubt because it's is frankly not as easy to cheat on a console as it is on a PC where you have just more opportunity to run scripts behind the scenes. Again I have to say something just wasn't sitting well.

Normally as you all know if we (USMG) roll into a server we do pretty damn well. We work together and very rarely get the table run on us. If it does happen most times we push a ton harder the next round and give as good as we got. Typically that meas a lot less bs'n on the mic and a lot more callouts.

So anyway since I just seemed damn odd I decided to do a little checking into FaF and didn't find much except their clan leader on the battlelog forum
announcing his clans recruitment drive.

I did a google search for him and found him mentioned again except this time he was being called out for use of the M26 Mass glitch. That piqued my interest. So I pulled him up on BF3stats.com

http://bf3stats.com/stats_ps3/booska456

His stats tell a tale, he has played 2,277 matches and only finished 1,742 of them.

He has 1,135 wins and only 607 losses.

He has a KDR of 2.36

Is a rank 69 Colonel with only 422hours of game time.

Conversly if you look at Tracker, Goosman and Myself

1. Our play time is more than his
2. Our number of started matches and finished matches are VERY CLOSE to each other I think mine is like a 50 match swing over almost 1600 matches played.
3. Our KDR's are around that 1 range.

Here is another curious thing ... Booska's top weapon is the AEK he has 10,634 kills, 2,475 heasdhsots with it over 88hrs of play. Now my G3 stats are 3, 698 kills, 932 headshots @ 65hrs of play.

The reason I bring all of these statistics up is that the gulf between myself and the USMGers that I know, who all play a fair game mind you, are about the same give or take. We have some stars that kick ass for sure but nothing like the stats that this guy is putting up. His stuff is damn near super human.

There was also this video that he posted as a wait to entice people to join FaF he says something to the effect of "If you want to know how I play watch this"

http://youtu.be/E7Qh3Lo0U7w

(sorry could not get this to embed)

Granted editing things together he can make himself look awesome but if you look at some of the multi kills ... it looks like he is wrecking people. Far more handily that I have ever been able to, and I get my share of multiple kills.

Another thing that just occurred to me to add, is that we have been playing on their server all week for the most part and have been doing well, there have been FaF members on this whole time one or two here and there and they have not fared as well as I'm sure they would hope. Last night as USMG mustered up and we got rolling all of the sudden we were moved to the other side as a group and then FaF started rolling in to the opposing side. That's when the shenanigans started. Coincidence?

At the end of the day it looks like if FaF aren't out right cheaters somehow the are at least using know glitches to pad their scores and take an unfair advantage.

Not the kinda folks I want to play with. I'll be steering clear of their server and their members in the future.

All you folks who were in last night with us sound off if you agree or disagree. Honestly I'd love to have my mind changed because guys who don't deal off the top of the deck kinda piss me off. I want to be proven wrong.

[tracker_usmc]

I agree with you 100%. As I said before on Sienne Crossing last night we had the C flag and I was in the building at C watching the stairs that I laced with C4...lol and all of a sudden a red dot just appeared in front of me by the window and shot me dead. Like I said we had C and I was watching the stairs and he did not come up the stairs so where did he come from? Also at the C flag when we captured it I saw a red dot appear on my mini map in the building by C and at the same time DB said there was one in the building so we both ran in the building and cleared it, no red dot. I told DB maybe a blue dot got him so we left to capture the A flag and as soon as we got into the stairwell between C and A there was the red dot in the C building capturing C. Where the hell did he come from? I've watched some Youtube vids on glitching to try and find out how there doing this and they can glitch behind walls in buildings on all maps. The buildings that have three stories, they go to the 3rd floor where you can't run around to the other side its just a deadend. Well there is a room between them that they glitch into and you can't get to them unless you blow the face of the 3rd story off. Also last night on Sienne Crossing same game either Goose or Cpl and myself were shooting a red dot from about 3 feet away and I know I emptied a clip into him and he didn't die but he killed both of us. When the kill screen came up he was around 97% health. Now if he had been in single digit health maybe I could have believed it but there is no way both of us putting a mag into him and getting hit markers that he would be able to survive that. It was like the night that Iron was on the other side from us and we were on Siennne Crossing again and a sniper on his side did a glitch where according to Iron it wouldn't let you spawn anywhere but on that sniper. It was at the B flag and all of USMG was trying to kill that sniper and he was just standing there and nothing was effecting him. We tried C4, RPG's hell I was standing behind him shooting and knifing him with zero results. The good thing about that one was we all just stood there and killed them as they spawned off of him ( it was like shooting fish in a barrel...lol) and they lost the match because of that glitch. Myself, Jack, Actual, Goose and I believe DB and Iron had this spawn glitching happen to us on our own USMG server (Sgt Nordel owns it) which pissed us off so we left our own server! It's pretty sad that we can't control glitching on our own server. I hope DICE finds and fixes these glitches because it seems to be happening more and more lately and if it continues I will hang up BF3 like I did with COD because of all the glitching. I know that no matter what you can't stop all the glitching that goes on and I get that but it comes to a point where it is happening so much that it takes all the fun out of the game.

[HAVOK]

There's a God glitch. I've seen it in videos, although at that time it was just one guy and it happened to him randomly. Maybe they found a way to enable it at will.

[David_3033]

Yeah there was definitely some red dot in the Charlie building and disappeared. There were definitely times that just seemed impossible the stuff they were pulling off. Like the continuous spawning of them at bravo. They just kept coming and there wasn't a spawn beacon anywhere. I don't know crazy shit, lol.

[jack]

Caught the tail end of that match on Oman last night... and it was pretty blatant glitching. I wiped out 3 of them over on Alpha, we had taken Alpha no one was around (I know, because I was right out in the open... Left side of Alpha going to Delta. with no cover for me, let alone anyone else) and bam, some dude named whitebeard2011 with a FAF tag wipes me out. It was like he spawned on me or something.

[iamthesgt]

I'm not going to disagree that he might be glitching. BUT...his stats alone are not necessarily an indication of that. His score per minute is 692. On PS3, mine is 775. His KPM is 1.47, mine is 1.30. If you play mostly TDM, which accounts for almost half of his games, it's easier to post higher K/Ds, higher W/Ls, higher SPMs, and certainly higher KPMs. His stats are good, but not super-human. I've played with and against randoms that I found out later ran 3, 4, and 5 K/Ds. His is 2.2. That's not superhuman. Glitcher he may be, but the stats to me aren't good enough to point to that unless without a glitch he just sucks something awful.

EDIT: While my points above are valid, there is something fishy with his vehicle stats. Some of them have negative time played. http://bf3stats.com/stats_ps3/booska456 You can type "#cmp_player_ps3/GAMERTAG" to compare to you or another person.

[MjolnirActual]

I'm not going to disagree that he might be glitching. BUT...his stats alone are not necessarily an indication of that. His score per minute is 692. On PS3, mine is 775. His KPM is 1.47, mine is 1.30. If you play mostly TDM, which accounts for almost half of his games, it's easier to post higher K/Ds, higher W/Ls, higher SPMs, and certainly higher KPMs. His stats are good, but not super-human. I've played with and against randoms that I found out later ran 3, 4, and 5 K/Ds. His is 2.2. That's not superhuman. Glitcher he may be, but the stats to me aren't good enough to point to that unless without a glitch he just sucks something awful.

EDIT: While my points above are valid, there is something fishy with his vehicle stats. Some of them have negative time played. http://bf3stats.com/stats_ps3/booska456 You can type "#cmp_player_ps3/GAMERTAG" to compare to you or another person.

See that's what I'm saying ... you are starting to see it ... his accumulated scores and stats vs. time actually payed and round finished doesn't add up. If it does then this guy should be making money playing video games.

[MjolnirActual]

Ok Sgt. I went back and looked at his stats again because you made me think. Here is my problem ... it's not all TDM he is playing darn near equal amounts of TDM, CQ, and RUSH. So his high kill rates are not specifically centered around the kill rich environment of TDM.

The one thing I did find that again looks suspicious ... battlelog has him listed a 449 kills with the M26 Mass with an accuracy of 104.7%. Really?

That looks like someone was using his Mass under an AR (ARs being his weapon of choice for like 16,000 kills over his top 3) and using the hell out of the M26 glitch till it was fixed.

Yes it's all circumstantial and supposition but there is a heap of it in a big steaming pile in the middle of the Battlefield and it's starting to stink.

If nothing else at all this is definitely a guy who pad his scores at any cost and will bend, flex and break any rules he can, and is recruiting people of a like mind.

[iamthesgt]

Ok Sgt. I went back and looked at his stats again because you made me think. Here is my problem ... it's not all TDM he is playing darn near equal amounts of TDM, CQ, and RUSH. So his high kill rates are not specifically centered around the kill rich environment of TDM.

The one thing I did find that again looks suspicious ... battlelog has him listed a 449 kills with the M26 Mass with an accuracy of 104.7%. Really?

That looks like someone was using his Mass under an AR (ARs being his weapon of choice for like 16,000 kills over his top 3) and using the hell out of the M26 glitch till it was fixed.

Yes it's all circumstantial and supposition but there is a heap of it in a big steaming pile in the middle of the Battlefield and it's starting to stink.

If nothing else at all this is definitely a guy who pad his scores at any cost and will bend, flex and break any rules he can, and is recruiting people of a like mind.

No, but his TDM% is much higher than mine, and my KPM is about 1.8-2.0 when playing TDM. With a little bit higher % of TDM play time, his KPM could easily be almost 1.5

What's questionable about that? The accuracy? That's not bad - it's an issue with all shotguns. The shots fired counts the number of trigger pulls, while the shots hit counts the number of pellets hit. Example from my stats:
M26 MASS 68 kills 108.12% accuracy (PS3) 100 kills, 106.46% accuracy (360)
870MCS 100 kills 102.89% accuracy (PS3) 379 kills, 117.48% accuracy (360)
M1014 100 kills 90.11% accuracy (PS3) 138 kills, 91.61% accuracy (360)
(Semi-auto and auto shotguns have lower accuracy because frequently they have wider loads and more unnecessary trigger pulls)

The ONLY thing that smells funny to me is the negative time on vehicles. The rest of the things he is good, but nowhere near good enough to make money playing video games.

[squidfamily1]

Any reason you can give me to stay off a conquest server is good enough for me

[iamthesgt]

Any reason you can give me to stay off a conquest server is good enough for me

Well he plays conquest the least actually. He plays 40% of his games on TDM, 33% on Rush, and only 24% on Conquest.

[squidfamily1]

Well he plays conquest the least actually. He plays 40% of his games on TDM, 33% on Rush, and only 24% on Conquest.

Whaat? I played with them the other night. I think i'd recognize a rush round if i saw one. It was like 1 tdm then 4 conquest

[iamthesgt]

Whaat? I played with them the other night. I think i'd recognize a rush round if i saw one. It was like 1 tdm then 4 conquest

I'm not sure what you're talking about...did you read the rest of the thread?

[MjolnirActual]

Well Dang It! If you are going to bring out your slide rule.

I'm not going to debate it anymore because you are interpreting his stats in a much different way than I see them. I still stand by the topic name for this thread. I think they are less than straight up players.

IMO play with/against FaF at your own risk.


Sent from the back of a conex box on Noshahr Canals.

[tracker_usmc]

You can analyze his stats all you want...bottom line he glitches so to me he is a shit player period.

Sent from the stairwell at C flag with C4 in hand waiting for Jack...LMFAO!!!

[David_3033]

You can analyze his stats all you want...bottom line he glitches so to me he is a shit player period.

Sent from the stairwell at C flag with C4 in hand waiting for Jack...LMFAO!!!

DANG IT!!! LOL, You are the master of that!

[iamthesgt]

Well Dang It! If you are going to bring out your slide rule.

I'm not going to debate it anymore because you are interpreting his stats in a much different way than I see them. I still stand by the topic name for this thread. I think they are less than straight up players.

IMO play with/against FaF at your own risk.


Sent from the back of a conex box on Noshahr Canals.

Well since I have never played against them, I'll take your word for it. However, he must really suck without glitching to put up numbers that aren't outlandish. Or maybe he's smart.

[Gooseman_71]

Well since I have never played against them, I'll take your word for it. However, he must really suck without glitching to put up numbers that aren't outlandish. Or maybe he's smart.

I'll throw my 2 cents into this quagmire! Many variables change the accuracy of weapons used, it all depends on the algorithms, sustrm speed and players ability. Now as for FaF, I played that night with the guys and it stunk pretty bad as things didn't add up to how everything was going for us. We played their server because they had great variety of maps, but when a player can disappear as "I" was giving chase and the dude ends up on the other side of the block in a blink of an eye only to get shot by the guy was BS! I also noticed the bunching of the players at either planned or random areas on the map. By 'planned' I mean maybe they waited until everyone in a squad was dead then respawned in, but the timing was way too quick and who really waits that long! Seriously! It is disheartening to encounter folks who glitch to win at whatever the cost. But Sgt, the biggest flag I see isn't his k/d ratio. It is his play time to rank issue. Look at our folks game time vs rank. I think you may come to the same conclusion as we have. Remember you're USMG boss, you can be Objective all you want, but they are f'n with your team mates! Team play=Team Wins!

[iamthesgt]

I'll throw my 2 cents into this quagmire! Many variables change the accuracy of weapons used, it all depends on the algorithms, sustrm speed and players ability. Now as for FaF, I played that night with the guys and it stunk pretty bad as things didn't add up to how everything was going for us. We played their server because they had great variety of maps, but when a player can disappear as "I" was giving chase and the dude ends up on the other side of the block in a blink of an eye only to get shot by the guy was BS! I also noticed the bunching of the players at either planned or random areas on the map. By 'planned' I mean maybe they waited until everyone in a squad was dead then respawned in, but the timing was way too quick and who really waits that long! Seriously! It is disheartening to encounter folks who glitch to win at whatever the cost. But Sgt, the biggest flag I see isn't his k/d ratio. It is his play time to rank issue. Look at our folks game time vs rank. I think you may come to the same conclusion as we have. Remember you're USMG boss, you can be Objective all you want, but they are f'n with your team mates! Team play=Team Wins!

If I saw that, I would scream glitch. I just don't agree that the numbers are clear indicators of glitching. Time to rank is directly related to SPM, and his score per minute isn't outlandish. That's why numbers alone don't give indications of glitching. I have several other friends with SPMs over 600. But I will stay clear of them if I ever get back on PS3.

[MjolnirActual]

If I saw that, I would scream glitch. I just don't agree that the numbers are clear indicators of glitching. Time to rank is directly related to SPM, and his score per minute isn't outlandish. That's why numbers alone don't give indications of glitching. I have several other friends with SPMs over 600. But I will stay clear of them if I ever get back on PS3.

I said I wan't going to continue this but I guess I was wrong. DANG IT!

If you go back and read my initial post, I said that I was sighting his numbers as corroboration of the fact that he had been called out on the BF3 forums for running the MASS glitch, and that his time in game wand his W/L ration seemed to indicate that he was taking an unfair advantage somewhere. I also make note that he has bailed out of over 500 matches and still puts up those kind numbers. When you look at Goose, Tracker, and myself we are somewhere around 10x less in our number of started vs. finished matches.

All of the other comparisons were meant to be added information.

One other point that you are not aware of because you weren't there and maybe I didn't convey it as well as I had hoped, was the way that the whole FaF side was clumped up and somehow running en mass in every TDM game we played that night. As you know in TDM you can't spawn on each other. However they were either spawning on each other or consistently in very close proximity to their main force.

I wasn't making my argument off of his numbers alone... I was trying to say that his numbers add weight to our overall feeling that there was some shady shit going on.

[iamthesgt]

I said I wan't going to continue this but I guess I was wrong. DANG IT!

If you go back and read my initial post, I said that I was sighting his numbers as corroboration of the fact that he had been called out on the BF3 forums for running the MASS glitch, and that his time in game wand his W/L ration seemed to indicate that he was taking an unfair advantage somewhere. I also make note that he has bailed out of over 500 matches and still puts up those kind numbers. When you look at Goose, Tracker, and myself we are somewhere around 10x less in our number of started vs. finished matches.

All of the other comparisons were meant to be added information.

One other point that you are not aware of because you weren't there and maybe I didn't convey it as well as I had hoped, was the way that the whole FaF side was clumped up and somehow running en mass in every TDM game we played that night. As you know in TDM you can't spawn on each other. However they were either spawning on each other or consistently in very close proximity to their main force.

I wasn't making my argument off of his numbers alone... I was trying to say that his numbers add weight to our overall feeling that there was some shady shit going on.

Okay, I see where you're coming from. I can see how his stats could lend weight...but he's a poor glitcher if he's putting up reasonable numbers.