Navy SEALs advising MOH: Warfighter Disciplined

[DahliaBellona]

Oh crap.

(From CBS News):


(CBS News) The U.S. Navy SEALs are part of an elite force that operates in the shadows, best known for killing Osama bin Laden. However, CBS News has learned a group of SEALs has been disciplined for revealing secrets.

The seven members of SEAL Team Six are all still on active duty. One of them was on the raid which killed Osama bin Laden and made SEAL Team Six a household name. For two days this spring and summer, they worked as paid consultants on a recently released video game, "Medal of Honor: Warfighter."

Four other members of the team who have since transferred out of the unit but are still on active duty are under investigation.

The game does not recreate the bin Laden raid, but it does portray realistic missions, such as an attack on a pirates' den in Somalia. It was produced by Electronic Arts, which boasts that real commandos, both active duty and retired, help make its games as realistic as possible.


The rest of the article can be found here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57547417/7-navy-seals-disciplined-for-role-with-video-game/

Just thought you guys would wanna see this article....I'm kind of shocked, but not shocked....

[loakii]

Oh crap.

(From CBS News):




The rest of the article can be found here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57547417/7-navy-seals-disciplined-for-role-with-video-game/

Just thought you guys would wanna see this article....I'm kind of shocked, but not shocked....


Just read this also...unless they gave up military secrets it cant be no worse than the seals being the actors and consultants on act of valor...The Officers above them were probably jealous enlisted guys making more money than them...My guess

[Ironhide400]

Kinda crazy.....:peep:

[DahliaBellona]

Just read this also...unless they gave up military secrets it cant be no worse than the seals being the actors and consultants on act of valor...The Officers above them were probably jealous enlisted guys making more money than them...My guess

Meh...Act of Valor was basically filming training exercises with more explosions with real SEALs....they didn't really give away too many secrets that would cause the controversy....
This is more of the situation where the SEAL Team 6 member that wrote the book about the mission that took out Osama, that is now a best seller, and also under review with the Pentagon. Sec Def Panetta is having a serious cow over that book....

It's a crazy situation, but see the thing is, is that paramilitary members with CIA had helped with the advising on the previous MOH title before Warfighter....
But when you take a look at the missions, to include the GovX version and what it entails, I think it's still a sensitive subject to the DoD....
I know, I know, the media released a bunch of crap on the missions....but, it's a crazy situation overall, because I think they're wondering what information was actually released....

Its just strange...my husband actually showed me this article, he loves this game...but he said it was to be expected....go figure

:rolleyes:

[jxspyder]

Just read this also...unless they gave up military secrets it cant be no worse than the seals being the actors and consultants on act of valor...The Officers above them were probably jealous enlisted guys making more money than them...My guess

This is my guess too. Unless they specifically divulged classified information, which would lead to a hell of a lot more in the way of disciplinary action, I can totally see this being an "asshole officer" issue. They didn't get specific approval to work with this developer, therefore they're not allowed to do so unless an officer gets to put in his 2 cents.

[Rickety Rob]

Wow! This is crazy. I hope nothing bad comes out of it

[MikaelTyson]

They just talked about this on my local morning radio show. Their opinion was basically, "it's seal team six! They killed bin laden! They should have immunity forever."

As long as they didn't supply any classified information, which I find impossible considering the training they receive, I see no problem with this.

I think this is more than likely a case of a CO getting butthurt because he wasn't consulted.

[MikaelTyson]

Also I just saw Dave's post, and that is exactly it.

[DahliaBellona]

Well, thing is, is that there was a mission that my own here at home saw on that game and he was shocked to see it on there...he said the thing is, is that detailed information is different compared to "inspiration"...when he saw that mission portrayed, he said no one was supposed to know it even happened or that we had some kind of presence there...the media is the media....but when operators are specifically told not to say one word, they mean it...the only thing covering possible too much information given are the words, "inspired by true events"...when my own tells me, "no one should know we were even there, because we just talked about that mission at work", then there is probably a small issue...if things are going too similar to debriefings, then it's right to discipline...because of what they are told...there's a reason USSOC has a PAO and liasion for stuff like that...don't get me wrong...it's a way to honor those that are unseen heroes by telling their story...but if it's too much, and still sensitive, then it could become an issue...especially with the amount of usage USSOC has now, more than ever. I mean the Pentagon still refuses public acknowledgement of...."humanitarian organzation" employees as I like to call them....Corey knows what I'm talking about ;)

[MikaelTyson]

Well, thing is, is that there was a mission that my own here at home saw on that game and he was shocked to see it on there...he said the thing is, is that detailed information is different compared to "inspiration"...when he saw that mission portrayed, he said no one was supposed to know it even happened or that we had some kind of presence there...the media is the media....but when operators are specifically told not to say one word, they mean it...the only thing covering possible too much information given are the words, "inspired by true events"...when my own tells me, "no one should know we were even there, because we just talked about that mission at work", then there is probably a small issue...if things are going too similar to debriefings, then it's right to discipline...because of what they are told...there's a reason USSOC has a PAO and liasion for stuff like that...don't get me wrong...it's a way to honor those that are unseen heroes by telling their story...but if it's too much, and still sensitive, then it could become an issue...especially with the amount of usage USSOC has now, more than ever. I mean the Pentagon still refuses public acknowledgement of...."humanitarian organzation" employees as I like to call them....Corey knows what I'm talking about ;)

Well that is definitely not a good thing. I have no idea about any of the things those guys do currently, I just have some stories from my father-in-law from his days as a seal. But from what you are saying, it sounds like the punishment may have been deserved.

[DahliaBellona]

Well that is definitely not a good thing. I have no idea about any of the things those guys do currently, I just have some stories from my father-in-law from his days as a seal. But from what you are saying, it sounds like the punishment may have been deserved.

Trust me....it blows when you can't honor those who are the unseen heroes, the ones that really get into the mix of the serious stuff....because of the nature of it...time will tell what comes out of this, but, I honestly believe, in my personal opinion, that the operators have stories to tell of their experiences....and they should be honored for it by the public they defend....blegh....

It's hard. Very hard.

[iamthesgt]

Well that is definitely not a good thing. I have no idea about any of the things those guys do currently, I just have some stories from my father-in-law from his days as a seal. But from what you are saying, it sounds like the punishment may have been deserved.

This is why there is a chain of command. Now I know some officers would probably be asses about it and not want their men to do this for no reason, but a good officer/supervisor would just review it and make sure nothing like this happened. Then they'd let their men go through with it. The only reason officers get paid more is their increased responsibility - the enlisted are the backbone, and if windfalls like this were to come their way, then let them have it!

[MikaelTyson]

Trust me....it blows when you can't honor those who are the unseen heroes, the ones that really get into the mix of the serious stuff....because of the nature of it...time will tell what comes out of this, but, I honestly believe, in my personal opinion, that the operators have stories to tell of their experiences....and they should be honored for it by the public they defend....blegh....

It's hard. Very hard.

Couldn't agree more.

[ZuluNiner]

The implication of "realistic missions" is that they provided real details of real missions that were never supposed to see the light of day. (The details, if not the missions themselves.)

[DahliaBellona]

The implication of "realistic missions" is that they provided real details of real missions that were never supposed to see the light of day. (The details, if not the missions themselves.)

Yeah, that's what the husband was saying when he was playing the game....he and I discussed this situation more tonight, and he says it's making them no better than Haney....
:banghead:

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[RogueScot]

Trust me....it blows when you can't honor those who are the unseen heroes, the ones that really get into the mix of the serious stuff....because of the nature of it...time will tell what comes out of this, but, I honestly believe, in my personal opinion, that the operators have stories to tell of their experiences....and they should be honored for it by the public they defend....blegh...It's hard. Very hard.

I agree with this, but there is something to be said to upholding the Secrets Act you sign to not disclose this information. IMHO.

[DahliaBellona]

I agree with this, but there is something to be said to upholding the Secrets Act you sign to not disclose this information. IMHO.

Oh I know that; I was just saying that I feel bad because they can't "tell their story" like others can....it does take a lot. The disclosure is signed the minute they get to Selection; they can't even talk about Selection in detail for 10 years...(why SF Selection has that stupid show on Nat Geo, I'll never know...*shaking my head*) but, they're lucky they only received "docked pay" and are now ineligible for promotion.

But, the whole hammer of Odin was bound to come down sooner or later. Like I said, if my own here at home is telling me there's shit on that game that shouldn't be seen by the public eye, then it's a problem.

[RogueScot]

Well, that is one of the crosses you bear as a special operator. The general public will probably never know what you have done to secure their freedom. Sucks, but what are you going to do? There are things that are covered under my TS clearance that no one will ever know and they shoudn't. They get to sleep quietly in their beds without knowing about the rough men, or women, who secure their rights for them.

[iamthesgt]

Well, that is one of the crosses you bear as a special operator. The general public will probably never know what you have done to secure their freedom. Sucks, but what are you going to do? There are things that are covered under my TS clearance that no one will ever know and they shoudn't. They get to sleep quietly in their beds without knowing about the rough men, or women, who secure their rights for them.

Amen. One of my favorite quotes right there.

[DahliaBellona]

Well, that is one of the crosses you bear as a special operator. The general public will probably never know what you have done to secure their freedom. Sucks, but what are you going to do? There are things that are covered under my TS clearance that no one will ever know and they shoudn't. They get to sleep quietly in their beds without knowing about the rough men, or women, who secure their rights for them.

Believe me, I know. :(

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[Warhammer0351]

Trust me....it blows when you can't honor those who are the unseen heroes, the ones that really get into the mix of the serious stuff....because of the nature of it...time will tell what comes out of this, but, I honestly believe, in my personal opinion, that the operators have stories to tell of their experiences....and they should be honored for it by the public they defend....blegh....

It's hard. Very hard.

I know the feeling...I have ran missions I can't talk about. Not even with my wife. Maybe that's why I'm an asshole sometimes. When she asks me "what's wrong?" I can't tell her. Yep, hate the demons in the closet. Gets worse sometimes when I'm drinking...maybe drinking to forget, but that will never happen. I will never forget. Hammer out...

[DahliaBellona]

I know the feeling...I have ran missions I can't talk about. Not even with my wife. Maybe that's why I'm an asshole sometimes. When she asks me "what's wrong?" I can't tell her. Yep, hate the demons in the closet. Gets worse sometimes when I'm drinking...maybe drinking to forget, but that will never happen. I will never forget. Hammer out...

Now that the husband's changed jobs, it is difficult when he can't tell me jack shit...he used to talk to me about everything in his previous job, and I'd understand, because I'd been there with him.. but now, he can't. And I know it's hard for him to deal with it except for with those who he works alongside with. But, I understand when he comes home, telling me work was "alright", and he needs a night out with his "co workers".
I feel your wife's feelings, Hammer...and I completely understand...

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